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From: Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
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	Daniel Golle <daniel@makrotopia.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/21] ARM: drop SMP support for ARM11MPCore
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:40:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cad25e0a-9594-3d5e-79e7-fd00a80f67ac@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6a5bd3a3-87e0-4a24-89ca-d265b0817a95@app.fastmail.com>

Le 30/03/2023 à 12:03, Arnd Bergmann a écrit :
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, at 09:48, Neil Armstrong wrote:
>> On 27/03/2023 14:13, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
>>>
>>> The cache management operations for noncoherent DMA on ARMv6 work
>>> in two different ways:
>>>
>>>    * When CONFIG_DMA_CACHE_RWFO is set, speculative prefetches on in-flight
>>>      DMA buffers lead to data corruption when the prefetched data is written
>>>      back on top of data from the device.
>>>
>>>    * When CONFIG_DMA_CACHE_RWFO is disabled, a cache flush on one CPU
>>>      is not seen by the other core(s), leading to inconsistent contents
>>>      accross the system.
>>>
>>> As a consequence, neither configuration is actually safe to use in a
>>> general-purpose kernel that is used on both MPCore systems and ARM1176
>>> with prefetching enabled.
>>>
>>> We could add further workarounds to make the behavior more dynamic based
>>> on the system, but realistically, there are close to zero remaining
>>> users on any ARM11MPCore anyway, and nobody seems too interested in it,
>>> compared to the more popular ARM1176 used in BMC2835 and AST2500.
>>>
>>> The Oxnas platform has some minimal support in OpenWRT, but most of the
>>> drivers and dts files never made it into the mainline kernel, while the
>>> Arm Versatile/Realview platform mainly serves as a reference system but
>>> is not necessary to be kept working once all other ARM11MPCore are gone.
>>
>> Acked-by: Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>
>>
>> It's sad but it's the reality, there's no chance full OXNAS support will
>> ever come upstream and no real work has been done for years.
>>
>> I think OXNAS support can be programmed for removal for next release,
>> it would need significant work to rework current support to make it acceptable
>> before trying to upstream missing bits anyway.
> 
> Ok, thanks for your reply!
> 
> To clarify, do you think we should plan for removal after the next
> stable release (6.3, removed in 6.4), or after the next LTS
> release (probably 6.6, removed in 6.7)? As far as I understand,
> the next OpenWRT release (23.x) will be based on linux-5.15,
> and the one after that (24.x) would likely still use 6.1, unless
> they skip an LTS kernel.

I think it's ok to remove it ASAP, or at least before the next LTS,
not having SMP makes the platform barely usable so the earliest is the best.

Neil

> 
>       Arnd


  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-30 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-27 12:12 [PATCH 00/21] dma-mapping: unify support for cache flushes Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:12 ` [PATCH 01/21] openrisc: dma-mapping: flush bidirectional mappings Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:12 ` [PATCH 02/21] xtensa: dma-mapping: use normal cache invalidation rules Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 15:42   ` Max Filippov
2023-03-27 12:12 ` [PATCH 03/21] sparc32: flush caches in dma_sync_*for_device Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 04/21] microblaze: dma-mapping: skip extra DMA flushes Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 05/21] powerpc: dma-mapping: split out cache operation logic Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 06/21] powerpc: dma-mapping: minimize for_cpu flushing Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:56   ` Christophe Leroy
2023-03-27 13:02     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 07/21] powerpc: dma-mapping: always clean cache in _for_device() op Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 08/21] riscv: dma-mapping: only invalidate after DMA, not flush Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 20:48   ` Conor Dooley
2023-03-30  7:10     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 21:51   ` Jessica Clarke
2023-03-30 12:59   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-04-19 14:22   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 09/21] riscv: dma-mapping: skip invalidation before bidirectional DMA Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 20:16   ` Conor Dooley
2023-03-30 13:26   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-04-19 14:22   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-05-05  5:47   ` Guo Ren
2023-05-05 13:18     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-05-06  7:25       ` Guo Ren
2023-05-06  7:53         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 10/21] csky: dma-mapping: skip invalidating before DMA from device Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 13:37   ` Guo Ren
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 11/21] mips: dma-mapping: skip invalidating before bidirectional DMA Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 12/21] mips: dma-mapping: split out cache operation logic Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 13/21] arc: dma-mapping: skip invalidating before bidirectional DMA Arnd Bergmann
2023-04-02  6:52   ` Vineet Gupta
2023-04-04  8:27     ` Shahab Vahedi
2023-04-06  9:01     ` Shahab Vahedi
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 14/21] parisc: dma-mapping: use regular flush/invalidate ops Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 15/21] ARM: dma-mapping: always invalidate WT caches before DMA Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31  9:01   ` Linus Walleij
2023-03-31  9:07   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-31  9:35     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-31 10:38       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31 11:08         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-31 12:32           ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 16/21] ARM: dma-mapping: bring back dmac_{clean,inv}_range Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 13:10   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 17/21] ARM: dma-mapping: use arch_sync_dma_for_{device,cpu}() internally Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31  9:10   ` Linus Walleij
2023-03-31 12:48     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 18/21] ARM: drop SMP support for ARM11MPCore Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-30  7:48   ` Neil Armstrong
2023-03-30 10:03     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-30 16:40       ` Neil Armstrong [this message]
2023-03-30  8:12   ` Linus Walleij
2023-03-30 11:51   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-03-31 17:09   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 19/21] ARM: dma-mapping: use generic form of arch_sync_dma_* helpers Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 20/21] ARM: dma-mapping: split out arch_dma_mark_clean() helper Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:48   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-31 14:00     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31 15:12       ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-31 17:20         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 15:01   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-31 14:06     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31 15:54       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-07-03  7:54   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-07-06 14:11     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 21/21] dma-mapping: replace custom code with generic implementation Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 22:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-31 13:04     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-30 14:06   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-04-13 12:13   ` Biju Das
2023-04-13 12:51     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-06-27 16:52       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-03-31 16:53 ` [PATCH 00/21] dma-mapping: unify support for cache flushes Catalin Marinas
2023-03-31 20:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-05-25  7:46 ` Lad, Prabhakar

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