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From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
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Subject: [PATCH v2 29/29] drm/todo: Add entry about dealing with brightness control on devices with > 1 panel
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 21:39:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220712193910.439171-30-hdegoede@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220712193910.439171-1-hdegoede@redhat.com>

Add an entry summarizing the discussion about dealing with brightness
control on devices with more then 1 internal panel.

The original discussion can be found here:
https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220517152331.16217-1-hdegoede@redhat.com/

Signed-off-by: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
---
 Documentation/gpu/todo.rst | 68 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 68 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
index 10bfb50908d1..8548bab88062 100644
--- a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
+++ b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
@@ -704,6 +704,74 @@ Contact: Sam Ravnborg
 
 Level: Advanced
 
+Brightness handling on devices with multiple internal panels
+============================================================
+
+On x86/ACPI devices there can be multiple backlight firmware interfaces:
+(ACPI) video, vendor specific and others. As well as direct/native (PWM)
+register programming by the KMS driver.
+
+To deal with this backlight drivers used on x86/ACPI call
+acpi_video_get_backlight_type() which has heuristics (+quirks) to select
+which backlight interface to use; and backlight drivers which do not match
+the returned type will not register themselves, so that only one backlight
+device gets registered (in a single GPU setup, see below).
+
+At the moment this more or less assumes that there will only
+be 1 (internal) panel on a system.
+
+On systems with 2 panels this may be a problem, depending on
+what interface acpi_video_get_backlight_type() selects:
+
+1. native: in this case the KMS driver is expected to know which backlight
+   device belongs to which output so everything should just work.
+2. video: this does support controlling multiple backlights, but some work
+   will need to be done to get the output <-> backlight device mapping
+
+The above assumes both panels will require the same backlight interface type.
+Things will break on systems with multiple panels where the 2 panels need
+a different type of control. E.g. one panel needs ACPI video backlight control,
+where as the other is using native backlight control. Currently in this case
+only one of the 2 required backlight devices will get registered, based on
+the acpi_video_get_backlight_type() return value.
+
+If this (theoretical) case ever shows up, then supporting this will need some
+work. A possible solution here would be to pass a device and connector-name
+to acpi_video_get_backlight_type() so that it can deal with this.
+
+Note in a way we already have a case where userspace sees 2 panels,
+in dual GPU laptop setups with a mux. On those systems we may see
+either 2 native backlight devices; or 2 native backlight devices.
+
+Userspace already has code to deal with this by detecting if the related
+panel is active (iow which way the mux between the GPU and the panels
+points) and then uses that backlight device. Userspace here very much
+assumes a single panel though. It picks only 1 of the 2 backlight devices
+and then only uses that one.
+
+Note that all userspace code (that I know off) is currently hardcoded
+to assume a single panel.
+
+Before the recent changes to not register multiple (e.g. video + native)
+/sys/class/backlight devices for a single panel (on a single GPU laptop),
+userspace would see multiple backlight devices all controlling the same
+backlight.
+
+To deal with this userspace had to always picks one preferred device under
+/sys/class/backlight and will ignore the others. So to support brightness
+control on multiple panels userspace will need to be updated too.
+
+There are plans to allow brightness control through the KMS API by adding
+a "display brightness" property to drm_connector objects for panels. This
+solves a number of issues with the /sys/class/backlight API, including not
+being able to map a sysfs backlight device to a specific connector. Any
+userspace changes to add support for brightness control on devices with
+multiple panels really should build on top of this new KMS property.
+
+Contact: Hans de Goede
+
+Level: Advanced
+
 Outside DRM
 ===========
 
-- 
2.36.0


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-07-12 19:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-12 19:38 [PATCH v2 00/29] drm/kms: Stop registering multiple /sys/class/backlight devs for a single display Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 01/29] ACPI: video: Add acpi_video_backlight_use_native() helper Hans de Goede
2022-07-21 21:24   ` Daniel Dadap
2022-07-21 21:30     ` Daniel Dadap
2022-08-02 11:31       ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-02 16:49         ` Daniel Dadap
2022-08-17 15:05           ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-17 20:18             ` Daniel Dadap
2022-08-24 11:08               ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 02/29] drm/i915: Don't register backlight when another backlight should be used Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 03/29] drm/amdgpu: " Hans de Goede
2022-07-20 16:44   ` Alex Deucher
2022-07-20 16:46     ` Alex Deucher
2022-08-17 13:05       ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 04/29] drm/radeon: " Hans de Goede
2022-07-20 16:45   ` Alex Deucher
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 05/29] drm/nouveau: " Hans de Goede
2022-07-14 21:04   ` Lyude Paul
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 06/29] ACPI: video: Drop backlight_device_get_by_type() call from acpi_video_get_backlight_type() Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 07/29] ACPI: video: Remove acpi_video_bus from list before tearing it down Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 08/29] ACPI: video: Simplify acpi_video_unregister_backlight() Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 09/29] ACPI: video: Make backlight class device registration a separate step Hans de Goede
2022-07-20 16:50   ` Alex Deucher
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 10/29] ACPI: video: Remove code to unregister acpi_video backlight when a native backlight registers Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 11/29] drm/i915: Call acpi_video_register_backlight() (v2) Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 12/29] drm/nouveau: Register ACPI video backlight when nv_backlight registration fails Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 13/29] drm/amdgpu: Register ACPI video backlight when skipping amdgpu backlight registration Hans de Goede
2022-07-20 16:53   ` Alex Deucher
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 14/29] drm/radeon: Register ACPI video backlight when skipping radeon " Hans de Goede
2022-07-20 16:54   ` Alex Deucher
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 15/29] ACPI: video: Refactor acpi_video_get_backlight_type() a bit Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 16/29] ACPI: video: Add Nvidia WMI EC brightness control detection Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 20:13   ` Daniel Dadap
2022-07-15 11:59     ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-15 15:32       ` Daniel Dadap
2022-07-15 16:04         ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-17 12:22       ` Hans de Goede
2022-08-17 16:57         ` Daniel Dadap
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 17/29] ACPI: video: Add Apple GMUX " Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:38 ` [PATCH v2 18/29] platform/x86: apple-gmux: Stop calling acpi/video.h functions Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 19/29] platform/x86: toshiba_acpi: Stop using acpi_video_set_dmi_backlight_type() Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 20/29] platform/x86: acer-wmi: Move backlight DMI quirks to acpi/video_detect.c Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 20:24   ` Daniel Dadap
2022-07-15 12:01     ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 21/29] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Drop DMI chassis-type check from backlight handling Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 22/29] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Move acpi_backlight=vendor quirks to ACPI video_detect.c Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 23/29] platform/x86: asus-wmi: Move acpi_backlight=native " Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 24/29] platform/x86: samsung-laptop: Move acpi_backlight=[vendor|native] " Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 25/29] ACPI: video: Remove acpi_video_set_dmi_backlight_type() Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 26/29] ACPI: video: Drop "Samsung X360" acpi_backlight=native quirk Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 27/29] ACPI: video: Drop Clevo/TUXEDO NL5xRU and NL5xNU acpi_backlight=native quirks Hans de Goede
2022-07-13 17:07   ` Werner Sembach
2022-07-13 17:21     ` Limonciello, Mario
2022-07-14 19:43       ` Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 28/29] ACPI: video: Fix indentation of video_detect_dmi_table[] entries Hans de Goede
2022-07-12 19:39 ` Hans de Goede [this message]
2022-07-14 18:42 ` [PATCH v2 00/29] drm/kms: Stop registering multiple /sys/class/backlight devs for a single display Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-07-14 21:49 ` Lyude Paul

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