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From: "Shen, Yijun" <Yijun.Shen@dell.com>
To: Lyndon Sanche <lsanche@lyndeno.ca>
Cc: "Mario Limonciello" <mario.limonciello@amd.com>,
	"Pali Rohár" <pali@kernel.org>, "Armin Wolf" <W_Armin@gmx.de>,
	"srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com"
	<srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"kernel test robot" <lkp@intel.com>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"Matthew Garrett" <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Heiner Kallweit" <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"Vegard Nossum" <vegard.nossum@oracle.com>,
	"platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org"
	<platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Dell Client Kernel" <Dell.Client.Kernel@dell.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement platform_profile
Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 16:12:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BY5PR19MB3922FD459460DF6D2B9CA2D19AE02@BY5PR19MB3922.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5D1A41F2-8740-45E5-9A86-396A9B615BDB@lyndeno.ca>


Internal Use - Confidential
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lyndon Sanche <lsanche@lyndeno.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 11:54 PM
> To: Shen, Yijun <Yijun_Shen@Dell.com>
> Cc: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>; Pali Rohár
> <pali@kernel.org>; Armin Wolf <W_Armin@gmx.de>;
> srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com; Ilpo Järvinen
> <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>; kernel test robot <lkp@intel.com>; Hans de
> Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>; Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>;
> Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>; Heiner Kallweit
> <hkallweit1@gmail.com>; Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@oracle.com>;
> platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org; LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>;
> Dell Client Kernel <Dell.Client.Kernel@dell.com>
> Subject: RE: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement platform_profile
>
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2024 9:22:23 a.m. MDT, "Shen, Yijun" <Yijun.Shen@dell.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >Internal Use - Confidential
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Lyndon Sanche <lsanche@lyndeno.ca>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 9:49 AM
> >> To: Shen, Yijun <Yijun_Shen@Dell.com>
> >> Cc: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>; Pali Rohár
> >> <pali@kernel.org>; Armin Wolf <W_Armin@gmx.de>;
> >> srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com; Ilpo Järvinen
> >> <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>; kernel test robot <lkp@intel.com>;
> >> Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>; Matthew Garrett
> >> <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>; Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>; Heiner
> >> Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>; Vegard Nossum
> >> <vegard.nossum@oracle.com>; platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org;
> LKML
> >> <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>; Dell Client Kernel
> >> <Dell.Client.Kernel@dell.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement
> >> platform_profile
> >>
> >>
> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 9 2024 at 09:10:51 AM -06:00:00, Lyndon Sanche
> >> <lsanche@lyndeno.ca> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 8:24 AM, Shen, Yijun wrote:
> >> >>  Hi Lyndon,
> >> >>
> >> >>   Thanks for working on this patch.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>   Dell side has an initial testing with this patch on some
> >> >> laptops, it  looks good. While changing the platform profile:
> >> >>  1. The corresponding USTT option in BIOS will be changed.
> >> >>  2. thermald will not be impacted. The related PSVT and ITMT will
> >> >> be loaded.
> >> >>   Some Dell DTs does not have the USTT, Dell'll have a check if
> >> >> nothing  is broken.
> >> >>
> >> >>    Additional, with this patch, follow behavior is found:
> >> >>   1. For example, the platform profile is quiet.
> >> >>   2. Reboot the system and change the USTT to performance.
> >> >>   3. Boot to desktop, the platform profile is "quiet", the USTT
> >> >> will be  changed back to "quiet".
> >> >>   This looks like not a proper user experience. The platform
> >> >> profile should honor the BIOS setting, aka, the platform profile
> >> >> should be switched to "performance".
> >> >
> >> > Hello:
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for your email. This is definitely undesirable behaviour,
> >> > I will have a look at the code to see why this is happening. Does
> >> > it always revert to quiet on boot, or always the mode that you had
> >> > switched to prior to reboot?
> >> >
> >> > Do you happen to have power-profiles-daemon or something similar
> >> > running? My understanding is it remembers profiles across reboots,
> >> > this could potentially also revert the profile back to what it was.
> >> > See this release for details:
> >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/upower/p
> >> > owe
> >> > r-profiles-daemon/-/releases/0.9.0__;!!LpKI!jUAEHb-9foumkcmPlEKD6tn
> >> > QrZ sqjB1sXdPDsYvH2fJ-
> gPV6G35MUtDW4q3xhlJ4IeLcIgmVpb3ztXqaOg8$
> >> > [gitlab[.]freedesktop[.]org]
> >> >
> >> > I will assume there is a bug in my code at this point. I will test
> >> > with and without ppd running on my system to see if it changes
> >> > across reboots.
> >> >
> >> > Are USTT settings exposed in your BIOS configuration menu? On my
> >> > laptop they are not and I have to use smbios-thermal-ctl.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> >
> >> > Lyndon
> >>
> >> Hi Yijun:
> >>
> >> I tested this on my computer (XPS 9560). I do not have access to the
> >> USTT settings in the BIOS screen so to substitute that, I booted
> >> without the patch and set the USTT manually using smbios-thermal-ctl.
> >> Here are my findings:
> >>
> >> Scenario #1: Without power-profiles-daemon (ppd) running
> >>
> >> 1. Boot with patch, set platform_profile to quiet 2. Boot without
> >> patch applied (no platform_profile)
> >>  - smbios-thermal-ctl confirms USTT is set to quiet
> >>  - use smbios-thermal-ctl to set USTT to performance
> >>  - confirm set to performance
> >> 3. Boot with patch again
> >>  - platform_profile is set to performance
> >>
> >> Scenario #2: With ppd running
> >> 1. Boot with patch, set platform_profile to performance with ppd
> >>  - Confirm platform_profile is performance 2. Boot without patch
> >> applied (no
> >> platform_profile)
> >>  - smbios-thermal-ctl confirms USTT is set to performance
> >>  - ppd reverts to balanced (only controlling intel_pstate in this
> >> case)
> >>  - use smbios-thermal-ctl to set USTT to quiet
> >>  - confirm set to quiet
> >> 3. Boot with patch again
> >>  - platform_profile and ppd is set to performance
> >>
> >> In my case, the setting in the smbios is honored if it was switched
> >> with another method. When using a userspace program that manipulates
> >> the platform_profile, the program seems to remember the previous
> >> state and switch to that.
> >>
> >> So I do not think there is a bug in this patch related to this issue,
> >> at least in my case. Please let me know if you have any questions.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Lyndon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Hi Lyndon,
> >
> > I've made a video recorder of the issue:
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dell.box.com/s/3f3znz1z8c6htbcll9juj6ty
> yu0zvvut__;!!LpKI!nHHxFbxzG-rJX_KZsebMC7ZcJU0WhNhkpXn-pk6nu-sUF38-
> RXz6x3YkALgzS4jnUP9TIWIu4mX_6cSDbwQ$ [dell[.]box[.]com] My test
> environment is that I freshly installed the Fedora 40 and will not do any online
> updates. Then install the kernel with the v5 patch applied.
> >
> > XPS 9560 is a pretty old system which is RTS with 2017. No USTT setting in
> the BIOS is expected.
> > I've a check that the Dell system, at least shipped from 2022, the USTT
> setting will be valid in the BIOS. The system used in above link, it is Latitude
> 7350 which is shipped by 2024 April.
> >
> > I think the key point to duplicate of this issue that, the USTT needs to be
> changed under BIOS but not under the Linux OS.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
>
>
> Thanks for the video.
>
> Fedora 40 has power-profiles-daemon enabled by default AFAIK. This would
> be changing the platform profile at load to match the last known state.
>
> Are you able to rerun this test with PPD disabled? Just in case it is a difference
> between setting it in BIOS and smbios-thermal-ctl.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lyndon

 If disable the PPD, the issue is gone.

Thanks


  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-11 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-25 17:27 [PATCH] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement platform_profile Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-25 20:07 ` Mario Limonciello
2024-04-25 20:24   ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-25 20:28     ` Mario Limonciello
2024-04-25 21:51       ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2024-04-26  0:38         ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-26 16:14     ` srinivas pandruvada
2024-04-26 18:23       ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-26 18:24         ` srinivas pandruvada
2024-04-25 20:12 ` Pali Rohár
2024-04-25 20:27   ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-25 20:31     ` Pali Rohár
2024-04-25 21:07 ` Armin Wolf
2024-04-26  0:54   ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-26  2:04 ` [PATCH v2] " Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-26  9:23   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-04-26 18:05     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-13 20:09   ` kernel test robot
2024-04-26  6:57 ` [PATCH] " Ilpo Järvinen
2024-04-29 16:48 ` [PATCH v3] " Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-29 17:45   ` Mario Limonciello
2024-04-29 17:51     ` Mario Limonciello
2024-04-29 21:25       ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-29 21:21     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-30 10:31   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-04-30 18:38     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-04-30 15:36   ` kernel test robot
2024-05-01  8:16   ` kernel test robot
2024-05-01 16:35   ` kernel test robot
2024-05-01 17:07   ` kernel test robot
2024-05-01  1:14 ` [PATCH v4] " Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-01  1:36   ` Pali Rohár
2024-05-01  1:42     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-01 21:58 ` [PATCH v5] " Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-03 10:19   ` kernel test robot
2024-05-04  1:03     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-06 10:18       ` Hans de Goede
2024-05-07 16:00         ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-03 21:19   ` Armin Wolf
2024-05-04  0:59     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-08 14:24   ` Shen, Yijun
2024-05-08 15:53     ` Mario Limonciello
2024-05-11 15:05       ` Shen, Yijun
2024-05-11 15:12         ` Limonciello, Mario
2024-05-11 15:56           ` Shen, Yijun
2024-05-12 17:53             ` Armin Wolf
2024-05-12 17:58               ` Limonciello, Mario
2024-05-12 18:47                 ` Armin Wolf
2024-05-12 22:14                   ` Limonciello, Mario
2024-05-11 16:02         ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-09 15:10     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-11  1:49       ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-11 15:22         ` Shen, Yijun
2024-05-11 15:54           ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-11 16:12             ` Shen, Yijun [this message]
2024-05-11  2:36 ` [PATCH v6 0/2] " Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-11  2:36 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] platform/x86: dell-smbios: Add helper for checking supported commands Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-11 15:13   ` Limonciello, Mario
2024-05-12 18:00   ` Armin Wolf
2024-05-11  2:36 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement platform_profile Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-11 15:16   ` Limonciello, Mario
2024-05-11 15:59     ` Lyndon Sanche
     [not found]       ` <48JCDS.E4RT1F9DTKFU1@lyndeno.ca>
2024-05-12  1:43         ` Limonciello, Mario
2024-05-12 15:25           ` Hans de Goede
2024-05-12  0:14     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-12 18:05   ` Armin Wolf
2024-05-15 17:06     ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-17 22:42 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] platform/x86: dell: " Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-17 22:42   ` [PATCH v7 1/3] platform/x86: dell-smbios: Add helper for checking supported class Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-17 22:42   ` [PATCH v7 2/3] platform/x86: dell-smbios: Move request functions for reuse Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-17 22:42   ` [PATCH v7 3/3] platform/x86: dell-pc: Implement platform_profile Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-27  9:39     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-05-28 16:16       ` Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-21 20:50   ` [PATCH v7 0/3] platform/x86: dell: " Mario Limonciello
2024-05-29 17:47 ` [PATCH v8 " Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-29 17:47   ` [PATCH v8 1/3] platform/x86: dell-smbios: Add helper for checking supported class Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-29 17:47   ` [PATCH v8 2/3] platform/x86: dell-smbios: Move request functions for reuse Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-29 17:47   ` [PATCH v8 3/3] platform/x86: dell-pc: Implement platform_profile Lyndon Sanche
2024-05-30  8:39     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-05-31  1:19       ` Lyndon Sanche

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