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From: Andrey Shinkevich <andrey.shinkevich@virtuozzo.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Roman Kagan <rkagan@virtuozzo.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"qemu-block@nongnu.org" <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
	"mreitz@redhat.com" <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	"berrange@redhat.com" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Denis Lunev <den@virtuozzo.com>,
	 Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/7] iotests: exclude killed processes from running under Valgrind
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:55:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <09368170-1ab5-6e8f-fc21-3a06383d52de@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190617145124.GJ7397@linux.fritz.box>



On 17/06/2019 17:51, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 17.06.2019 um 15:20 hat Roman Kagan geschrieben:
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 02:53:55PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>> Am 17.06.2019 um 14:18 hat Roman Kagan geschrieben:
>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 01:15:04PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>>>> Am 11.06.2019 um 20:02 hat Andrey Shinkevich geschrieben:
>>>>>> The Valgrind tool fails to manage its termination when QEMU raises the
>>>>>> signal SIGKILL. Lets exclude such test cases from running under the
>>>>>> Valgrind because there is no sense to check memory issues that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Andrey Shinkevich <andrey.shinkevich@virtuozzo.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't fully understand the reasoning here. Most interesting memory
>>>>> access errors happen before a process terminates. (I'm not talking about
>>>>> leaks here, but use-after-free, buffer overflows, uninitialised memory
>>>>> etc.)
>>>>
>>>> Nothing of the above, and nothing in general, happens in the usermode
>>>> process upon SIGKILL delivery.
>>>
>>> My point is, the interesting part is what the program does before
>>> SIGKILL happens. There is value in reporting memory errors as long as we
>>> can, even if the final check doesn't happen because of SIGKILL.
>>
>> Agreed in general, but here the testcases that include 'sigraise 9' only
>> do simple operations before that which are covered elsewhere too.  So
>> the extra effort on making valgrind work with these testcases arguably
>> isn't worth the extra value to be gained.
> 
> Ok, fair enough.
> 
>>>>> However, I do see that running these test cases with -valgrind ends in a
>>>>> hang because the valgrind process keeps hanging around as a zombie
>>>>> process and the test case doesn't reap it. I'm not exactly sure why that
>>>>> is, but it looks more like a problem with the parent process (i.e. the
>>>>> bash script).
>>>>
>>>> It rather looks like valgrind getting confused about what to do with
>>>> raise(SIGKILL) in the multithreaded case.
>>>
>>> Well, valgrind can't do anything with SIGKILL, obviously, because it's
>>> killed immediately.
>>
>> Right, but it can do whatever it wants with raise(SIGKILL).  I haven't
>> looked at valgrind sources, but
>>
>>    # strace -ff valgind qemu-io -c 'sigraise 9'
>>
>> shows SIGKILL neither sent nor received by any thread; it just shows the
>> main thread exit and the second thread getting stuck waiting on a futex.
> 
> Oh, I didn't see this! So there isn't even a real SIGKILL signal.
> 
>>> But maybe the kernel does get confused for some
>>> reason. I get the main threads as a zombie, but a second is still
>>> running. Sending SIGKILL to the second thread, too, makes the test case
>>> complete successfully.
>>>
>>> So I guess the main question is why the second thread isn't
>>> automatically killed when the main thread receives SIGKILL.
>>
>> I don't see any thread receive SIGKILL.  So I tend to think this is
>> valgrind's bug/feature.
>>
>> Anyway the problem is outside of QEMU, so I think we need to weigh the
>> costs of investigating it and implementing a workaround with the
>> potential benefit.
> 
> I'd suggest to file a bug against valgrind at least. And indeed just
> disable valgrind here like this patch does.
> 
> Kevin
> 

I have reported the issue to the KDE Bugtracking System on bugs.kde.org
as instructed on the www.valgrind.org/support/bug_reports.html

The bug 409141 "Valgrind hangs when SIGKILLed" has been created.
The thread can be seen on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409141

Andrey

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-24 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-11 18:02 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/7] Allow Valgrind checking all QEMU processes Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/7] iotests: allow " Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:44   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-27 15:08     ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:45   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/7] iotests: exclude killed processes from running under Valgrind Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:47   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-17 11:57     ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-17 11:15   ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-17 12:18     ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-17 12:53       ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-17 13:20         ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-17 14:51           ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-24 16:55             ` Andrey Shinkevich [this message]
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/7] iotests: Valgrind fails to work with nonexistent directory Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:52   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-17 11:22     ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 4/7] iotests: extended timeout under Valgrind Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:54   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 5/7] iotests: extend sleeping time " Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:55   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 6/7] iotests: amend QEMU NBD process synchronization Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:59   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-17 12:45     ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-17 12:38   ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 7/7] iotests: new file to suppress Valgrind errors Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13 10:06   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-24 16:55     ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-24 17:09       ` Eric Blake
2019-06-24 17:23         ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-17 11:45   ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-24 16:55     ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-25  8:13       ` Kevin Wolf

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