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From: Paul Clarke <pc@us.ibm.com>
To: Aleksandar Markovic <aleksandar.m.mail@gmail.com>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] [PATCH] ppc: Three floating point fixes
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 12:13:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b486ed4-512f-e5b3-bcd7-9385b689b1cb@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL1e-=j0w=OasHidP4W4ND-R3p6Ui7MS0iaj7Wk+c1tVyR09+A@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/19/19 1:44 AM, Aleksandar Markovic wrote:
> 19.08.2019. 08.30, "David Gibson" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> је
> написао/ла:
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:59:01PM +0200, Aleksandar Markovic wrote:
>>> 18.08.2019. 10.10, "Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org> је
>>> написао/ла:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/16/19 11:59 PM, Aleksandar Markovic wrote:
>>>>>> From: "Paul A. Clarke" <pc@us.ibm.com>
>>>> ...
>>>>>>   ISA 3.0B has xscvdpspn leaving its result in word 1 of the target
>>>>> register,
>>>>>>   and mffprwz expecting its input to come from word 0 of the source
>>>>> register.
>>>>>>   This sequence fails with QEMU, as a shift is required between
> those
>>> two
>>>>>>   instructions.  However, the hardware splats the result to both
> word 0
>>>>> and
>>>>>>   word 1 of its output register, so the shift is not necessary.
>>>>>>   Expect a future revision of the ISA to specify this behavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm... Isn't this a gcc bug (using undocumented hardware feature),
>>> given
>>>>> everything you said here?
>>>>
>>>> The key here is "expect a future revision of the ISA to specify this
>>> behavior".
>>>>
>>>> It's clearly within IBM's purview to adjust the specification to
> document
>>> a
>>>> previously undocumented hardware feature.
>>>>
>>>
>>> By no means, yes, the key is in ISA documentation. But, the impression
> that
>>> full original commit message conveys is that the main reason for change
> is
>>> gcc behavior. If we accepted in general that gcc behavior determines
> QEMU
>>> behavior, I am afraid we would be on a very slippery slope - therefore I
>>> think the commit message (and possible code comment) should, in my
> opinion,
>>> mention ISA docs as the central reason for change. Paul, is there any
>>> tentative release date of the new ISA specification?
>>
>> It's not really a question of gcc behaviour, it's a question of actual
>> cpu behaviour versus ISA document.  Which one qemu should follow is
>> somewhat debatable, but it sounds here like the ISA will be updated to
>> match the cpu, which weights it heavily in favour of mimicing the
>> actual cpu.
>>
> 
> This sounds right to me.

Thanks for the reviews and great discussion.

While not yet part of a published version of the ISA, I did find the behavior documented in the User's Manuals for the POWER8 and POWER9 processors:

https://www-355.ibm.com/systems/power/openpower/
"Public Documents"
- "POWER9 Processor User's Manual"
- "POWER8 Processor User's Manual for the SCM"

POWER9 Processor User's Manual 
4. Power Architecture Compliance
4.3 Floating-Point Processor (FP, VMX, and VSX)
4.3.7 Floating-Point Invalid Forms and Undefined Conditions

POWER8 Processor User's Manual for the Single-Chip Module
3. Power Architecture Compliance
3.2 Floating-Point Processor (FP, VMX, and VSX)
3.2.9 Floating-Point Invalid Forms and Undefined Conditions

In a bullet:
- VSX scalar convert from double-precision to single-precision (xscvdpsp, xscvdpspn).
VSR[32:63] is set to VSR[0:31].

I have not confirmed when the new revision of the ISA will be published, but it's on somebody's "to do" list.

I will respin the patch as 3 independent patches, and include a reference to the above documents for the change under discussion here.  (The other two changes may take a bit more time, because like David, I find the FPU emulation code cryptic.  :-/  )

These issues were found while running Glibc's test suite for "math", and there are still a *LOT* of QEMU-only FAILs, so I may be back again with suggested fixes or questions.  :-)

PC


  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-19 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-16 19:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] ppc: Three floating point fixes Paul A. Clarke
2019-08-16 22:59 ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-17  7:53   ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-18  8:10   ` Richard Henderson
2019-08-18 20:59     ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-19  6:28       ` David Gibson
2019-08-19  6:44         ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-19 17:13           ` Paul Clarke [this message]
2019-08-20  7:31             ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " David Gibson
2019-08-20 10:35               ` Peter Maydell
2019-08-22  3:02                 ` David Gibson
2019-08-18  8:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Richard Henderson
2019-08-19  6:30 ` David Gibson

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