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From: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
To: Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Derek Su <dereksu@qnap.com>,
	Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 30/34] qcow2: Add prealloc field to QCowL2Meta
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 09:22:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1c121afb-bf65-5879-f9de-2edcaabb11f4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <w511rlttt5h.fsf@maestria.local.igalia.com>


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On 03.07.20 01:05, Alberto Garcia wrote:
> On Thu 02 Jul 2020 05:09:47 PM CEST, Max Reitz wrote:
>>> Without a backing file, there is no read required - writing to an
>>> unallocated subcluster within a preallocated cluster merely has to
>>> provide zeros to the rest of the write.  And depending on whether we
>>> can intelligently guarantee that the underlying protocol already
>>> reads as zeroes when preallocated, we even have an optimization where
>>> even that is not necessary.  We can still lump it in the "COW"
>>> terminology, in that our write is more complex than merely writing in
>>> place, but it isn't a true copy-on-write operation as there is
>>> nothing to be copied.
>>
>> The term “COW” specifically in the qcow2 driver also refers to having
>> to write zeroes to an area that isn’t written to by the guest as part
>> of the process of having to allocate a (sub)cluster.
> 
> The question is valid: if the space for the clusters is allocated but
> the subclusters are not marked as such then any partial write request
> will need to fill the rest with zeroes (in practice handle_alloc_space()
> can do that efficiently but that's another question).
> 
> If there is a backing file then there's no other alternative because we
> do need to copy the data from the backing file.
> 
> If there is no backing file perhaps we could allocate all subclusters as
> well. I suppose we can detect that scenario at that point in the code (I
> haven't checked) and I don't know what would happen if one later
> attaches a backing file on runtime using the command-line options.
> 
> But what I would argue is that I don't see the benefit of using extended
> L2 entries on an preallocated image with no backing file: other than
> having twice as much L2 metadata what would be the use? The point of
> subclusters is that they make allocation more efficient, but if the
> image is already fully allocated then they give you nothing.

That’s true.  I didn’t think about it this way.

Then indeed it doesn’t make sense to potentially break cases of later
adding a backing file:

Reviewed-by: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>


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  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-03  7:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-28 11:02 [PATCH v9 00/34] Add subcluster allocation to qcow2 Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 01/34] qcow2: Make Qcow2AioTask store the full host offset Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 02/34] qcow2: Convert qcow2_get_cluster_offset() into qcow2_get_host_offset() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-30 10:19   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-30 10:27     ` Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 03/34] qcow2: Add calculate_l2_meta() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 04/34] qcow2: Split cluster_needs_cow() out of count_cow_clusters() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 05/34] qcow2: Process QCOW2_CLUSTER_ZERO_ALLOC clusters in handle_copied() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-30 10:38   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 06/34] qcow2: Add get_l2_entry() and set_l2_entry() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 07/34] qcow2: Document the Extended L2 Entries feature Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 08/34] qcow2: Add dummy has_subclusters() function Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 09/34] qcow2: Add subcluster-related fields to BDRVQcow2State Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 10/34] qcow2: Add offset_to_sc_index() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 11/34] qcow2: Add offset_into_subcluster() and size_to_subclusters() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-01 12:23   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 12/34] qcow2: Add l2_entry_size() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 13/34] qcow2: Update get/set_l2_entry() and add get/set_l2_bitmap() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-01 12:28   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 14/34] qcow2: Add QCow2SubclusterType and qcow2_get_subcluster_type() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-01 12:52   ` Max Reitz
2020-07-01 16:26     ` Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02  9:57       ` Max Reitz
2020-07-02 22:00         ` Alberto Garcia
2020-07-03  7:17           ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 15/34] qcow2: Add qcow2_get_subcluster_range_type() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-01 13:37   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 16/34] qcow2: Add qcow2_cluster_is_allocated() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-01 13:55   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 17/34] qcow2: Add cluster type parameter to qcow2_get_host_offset() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 18/34] qcow2: Replace QCOW2_CLUSTER_* with QCOW2_SUBCLUSTER_* Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 19/34] qcow2: Handle QCOW2_SUBCLUSTER_UNALLOCATED_ALLOC Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 20/34] qcow2: Add subcluster support to calculate_l2_meta() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 11:30   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 21/34] qcow2: Add subcluster support to qcow2_get_host_offset() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 12:46   ` Max Reitz
2020-07-02 22:04     ` Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 22/34] qcow2: Add subcluster support to zero_in_l2_slice() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 12:56   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 23/34] qcow2: Add subcluster support to discard_in_l2_slice() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 13:24   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 24/34] qcow2: Add subcluster support to check_refcounts_l2() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 13:32   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 25/34] qcow2: Update L2 bitmap in qcow2_alloc_cluster_link_l2() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 14:01   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 26/34] qcow2: Clear the L2 bitmap when allocating a compressed cluster Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 27/34] qcow2: Add subcluster support to handle_alloc_space() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 28/34] qcow2: Add subcluster support to qcow2_co_pwrite_zeroes() Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 14:28   ` Max Reitz
2020-07-02 22:40     ` Alberto Garcia
2020-07-03  7:18       ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 29/34] qcow2: Add subcluster support to qcow2_measure() Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 30/34] qcow2: Add prealloc field to QCowL2Meta Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 14:50   ` Max Reitz
2020-07-02 14:58     ` Eric Blake
2020-07-02 15:09       ` Max Reitz
2020-07-02 23:05         ` Alberto Garcia
2020-07-03  7:22           ` Max Reitz [this message]
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 31/34] qcow2: Add the 'extended_l2' option and the QCOW2_INCOMPAT_EXTL2 bit Alberto Garcia
2020-07-02 15:13   ` Max Reitz
2020-07-03 12:43     ` Alberto Garcia
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 32/34] qcow2: Allow preallocation and backing files if extended_l2 is set Alberto Garcia
2020-07-03  7:45   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 33/34] qcow2: Assert that expand_zero_clusters_in_l1() does not support subclusters Alberto Garcia
2020-07-03  7:46   ` Max Reitz
2020-06-28 11:02 ` [PATCH v9 34/34] iotests: Add tests for qcow2 images with extended L2 entries Alberto Garcia
2020-07-03  9:49   ` Max Reitz
2020-07-03 13:06     ` Alberto Garcia
2020-07-03 13:47       ` Max Reitz
2020-07-03 15:20         ` Alberto Garcia
2020-07-06 13:57       ` Eric Blake

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