From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>,
"Richard Henderson" <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] acpi: cphp: add CPHP_GET_CPU_ID_CMD command to cpu hotplug MMIO interface
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:16:52 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191010141652.GD21666@habkost.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191010153815.4f7a3fc9@redhat.com>
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 03:39:12PM +0200, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 05:56:55 -0400
> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 09:22:49AM -0400, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> > > As an alternative to passing to firmware topology info via new fwcfg files
> > > so it could recreate APIC IDs based on it and order CPUs are enumerated,
> > >
> > > extend CPU hotplug interface to return APIC ID as response to the new command
> > > CPHP_GET_CPU_ID_CMD.
> >
> > One big piece missing here is motivation:
> I thought the only willing reader was Laszlo (who is aware of context)
> so I skipped on details and confused others :/
>
> > Who's going to use this interface?
> In current state it's for firmware, since ACPI tables can cheat
> by having APIC IDs statically built in.
>
> If we were creating CPU objects in ACPI dynamically
> we would be using this command as well. It would save
> us quite a bit space in ACPI blob but it would be a pain
> to debug and diagnose problems in ACPI tables, so I'd rather
> stay with static CPU descriptions in ACPI tables for the sake
> of maintenance.
>
> > So far CPU hotplug was used by the ACPI, so we didn't
> > really commit to a fixed interface too strongly.
> >
> > Is this a replacement to Laszlo's fw cfg interface?
> > If yes is the idea that OVMF going to depend on CPU hotplug directly then?
> > It does not depend on it now, does it?
> It doesn't, but then it doesn't support cpu hotplug,
> OVMF(SMM) needs to cooperate with QEMU "and" ACPI tables to perform
> the task and using the same interface/code path between all involved
> parties makes the task easier with the least amount of duplicated
> interfaces and more robust.
>
> Re-implementing alternative interface for firmware (fwcfg or what not)
> would work as well, but it's only question of time when ACPI and
> this new interface disagree on how world works and process falls
> apart.
>
> > If answers to all of the above is yes, then I don't really like it: it
> > is better to keep all paravirt stuff in one place, namely in fw cfg.
> Lets discuss, what cpu hotplug fwcfg interface could look like in
> [PATCH 3/4] hw/i386: add facility to expose CPU topology over fw-cfg
> mail thread and clarify (dis)likes with concrete reasons.
>
> So far I managed to convince myself that we ought to reuse
> and extend current CPU hotplug interface with firmware features,
> to endup with consolidated cpu hotplug process without
> introducing duplicate ABIs, but I could be wrong so
> lets see if fwcfg will be the better approach.
>
I was more inclined towards the approach in this patch, because I
see it as just a bug fix in the CPU hotplug interface (which
should have been using the hardware CPU identifier as the CPU
selector since the beginning).
Providing the missing information in fw_cfg isn't necessarily
bad, but please document it explicitly as a
hotplug_cpu_selector => cpu_hardware_id
mapping, so people won't use "CPU index" as a generic identifier
elsewhere.
--
Eduardo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-10 14:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-09 13:22 [RFC 0/3] acpi: cphp: add CPHP_GET_CPU_ID_CMD command to cpu hotplug MMIO interface Igor Mammedov
2019-10-09 13:22 ` [RFC 1/3] acpi: cpuhp: fix 'Command data' description is spec Igor Mammedov
2019-10-10 12:33 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-17 15:41 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-18 13:24 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-10 13:31 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-10 13:36 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-22 17:17 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-10-22 17:37 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-09 13:22 ` [RFC 2/3] acpi: cpuhp: add typical usecases into spec Igor Mammedov
2019-10-10 13:04 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-10 13:15 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-10 14:13 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-18 14:45 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-09 13:22 ` [RFC 3/3] acpi: cpuhp: add CPHP_GET_CPU_ID_CMD command Igor Mammedov
2019-10-10 14:56 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-10 15:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-10-10 17:23 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-10 17:53 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-10 19:26 ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-10-11 8:07 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-18 16:18 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-21 13:06 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-22 12:39 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-22 14:42 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-22 15:49 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-23 14:59 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-24 15:07 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-10 9:56 ` [RFC 0/3] acpi: cphp: add CPHP_GET_CPU_ID_CMD command to cpu hotplug MMIO interface Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-10-10 13:39 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-10 13:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-10-10 15:57 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-10 18:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-10-11 7:41 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-10 19:20 ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-10-11 8:01 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-11 13:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-10-11 16:13 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-11 10:47 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-10-11 6:54 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-10-10 14:16 ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2019-10-10 14:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-10-10 17:09 ` Igor Mammedov
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