From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ED6C352A3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EFAA20733 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=redhat.com header.i=@redhat.com header.b="QIRywcYJ" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 2EFAA20733 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Received: from localhost ([::1]:60650 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j17jn-0000K8-EK for qemu-devel@archiver.kernel.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:00:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j17iz-0008LS-KU for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:59:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j17iy-0005rz-GD for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:59:37 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-2.mimecast.com ([207.211.31.81]:55649 helo=us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j17iy-0005qR-CU for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:59:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1581335975; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=e5a/hnYd35wz6o75CUFeMJD3NK0GhUvRQaIoWv0nHzw=; b=QIRywcYJwvvf0IeA6/E7ZU3ORGAcfqnKZloCZCX3vWKwHErHzs3lJqJcw21Lxnwb7wVol4 EAi12OJNYVp4txmLhG+DagWqUzizKpR+3n3Ew+ASobfVlbcqJ6MVZeFG1/YLWy8cMWY8SK 7rXULEOBCbLr6rRgp/ZeOmlcwb5gYzo= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-347-hvwBogITOPycFnbXPNVN0Q-1; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:59:32 -0500 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CD3010509A1; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from linux.fritz.box (unknown [10.36.118.70]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E52E5DA82; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:59:18 +0100 From: Kevin Wolf To: Markus Armbruster Subject: Re: qmp-shell for GSoC/Outreachy? Message-ID: <20200210115918.GA5955@linux.fritz.box> References: <20200127143505.GD5669@linux.fritz.box> <20200127202925.GE3419@work-vm> <20200128105932.GC6431@linux.fritz.box> <20200205130946.GC5768@dhcp-200-226.str.redhat.com> <20200205194944.GP3210@work-vm> <877e10xdd6.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <20200206142143.GA4926@linux.fritz.box> <87zhdtlev1.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87zhdtlev1.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 X-MC-Unique: hvwBogITOPycFnbXPNVN0Q-1 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 207.211.31.81 X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Peter Maydell , Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=2E_Berrang=E9?= , "Denis V. Lunev" , Cleber Rosa , Stefan Hajnoczi , "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" , Eduardo Habkost , qemu-devel , Paolo Bonzini , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marc-Andr=E9?= Lureau , John Snow , Dominik Csapak Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" Am 08.02.2020 um 08:25 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben: > John Snow writes: >=20 > > On 2/6/20 9:21 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: > [...] > >> 2. Rewriting qmp-shell to use a better syntax for nested data > >> structures. This would have to be defined before the project starts= . > >>=20 > > > > ... Can't start until we define the proper interface, because then we > > have to support it. Right now, qmp-shell is a developer toy because it'= s > > hidden in the tree. > > > > Promoting it to prime-time will be fruitless unless we come up with a > > convincing TUI for it. >=20 > Oh, it'll bear fruit alright! And that will be the problem. >=20 > Back to serious: I also object to the idea to expose end users to > qmp-shell in its current state. Do not ship. I don't think anyone suggested making the existing qmp-shell available by default or shipping it in distro packages or anything. Being able to configure qemu so that it does offer qmp-shell on a chardev seems like a reasonable intermediate milestone to me, though. Users won't see this unless they are actively trying to experiment with it. Kevin