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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V1 15/32] vl: QEMU_START_FREEZE env var
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 16:52:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200925155216.GQ2873@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <104a501f-66dc-bc98-90fb-73599374e4b5@oracle.com>

* Steven Sistare (steven.sistare@oracle.com) wrote:
> On 9/11/2020 2:49 PM, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Steve Sistare (steven.sistare@oracle.com) wrote:
> >> For qemu upgrade and restart, we will re-exec() qemu with the same argv.
> >> However, qemu must start in a paused state and wait for the cprload command,
> >> and the original argv might not contain the -S option.  To avoid modifying
> >> argv, provide the QEMU_START_FREEZE environment variable.  If
> >> QEMU_START_FREEZE is set, then set autostart=0, like the -S option.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
> > 
> > What's wrong with modifying the argv?
> > 
> > Note, also the trick -incoming defer uses;  the whole point here is that
> > we start qemu with   -incoming defer     and then we can issue commands
> > to modify the QEMU configuration before we actually reload state.
> > 
> > Note, even without CPR there might be reasons that you need to modify
> > the argv; for example, imagine that since it was originally booted
> > someone had hotplug added an extra CPU or RAM or a disk; the new QEMU
> > must be started in a state that reflects the state in which the VM was
> > at the point when it was saved, not the point at which it was started
> > long ago.
> 
> The code is simpler if we do not need to parse and massage the argv, and that is 
> sufficient for many use cases.  QEMU_START_FREEZE adds only a few lines of code, and 
> it's nice to have that choice.
> 
> For hot plug, we rely on the management layer to know what devices were plugged
> after the initial startup, and re-plug them after restart.  cprsave restarts qemu,
> which creates command-line devices.  At this point the manager would send the hotplug 
> commands (just like -incoming defer), then send cprload. 
> 
> Having said that, if the management layer sometimes performs live migration, and sometimes
> performs cpr restart, then we need to strip out any -incoming args from argv before restart.
> This can be done in the vendor-specific qemu-exec helper (patch 20).

My problem is I can see a whole bunch of places that reusing the
original argv breaks, so I don't think this is a useful general
solution:

   a) The -incoming example
   b) The management app has to reply the hotplug sequence
   c) ...even if it did there's no guarantee that the original
pre-hotplug commandline works:
      i) e.g. an original block device file was deleted
     ii) One of the endpoints for a network device is gone.

  Any part of (c) could cause the exec'd qemu to fail before
it gets as far as allowing you to issue the hotplug commands.
It's also plain dangerous, since the exec'd qemu shouldn't be accessing
a  file or device that has been hot-unplugged and might now be part of
a different VM.

So I think you really should pass another command line option here
rather than setting an environment variable; and then I think you should
consider two separate things:

  a) You could easily strip out options of the form --cpr-freeze
  b) Consider something more general; e.g. allow the management layer to
specify a new set of argv to be used by the exec.

Dave

> - Steve
> 
> >> ---
> >>  softmmu/vl.c | 5 +++++
> >>  1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/softmmu/vl.c b/softmmu/vl.c
> >> index 951994f..7016e39 100644
> >> --- a/softmmu/vl.c
> >> +++ b/softmmu/vl.c
> >> @@ -4501,6 +4501,11 @@ void qemu_init(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)
> >>          exit(0);
> >>      }
> >>  
> >> +    if (getenv("QEMU_START_FREEZE")) {
> >> +        unsetenv("QEMU_START_FREEZE");
> >> +        autostart = 0;
> >> +    }
> >> +
> >>      if (incoming) {
> >>          Error *local_err = NULL;
> >>          qemu_start_incoming_migration(incoming, &local_err);
> >> -- 
> >> 1.8.3.1
> >>
> 
-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-25 16:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-30 15:14 [PATCH V1 00/32] Live Update Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 01/32] savevm: add vmstate handler iterators Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 16:24   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:43     ` Steven Sistare
2020-09-25  9:07       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 02/32] savevm: VM handlers mode mask Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 03/32] savevm: QMP command for cprsave Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 16:12   ` Eric Blake
2020-07-30 17:52     ` Steven Sistare
2020-09-11 16:43   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-25 18:43     ` Steven Sistare
2020-09-25 22:22       ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 04/32] savevm: HMP Command " Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 16:57   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:44     ` Steven Sistare
2020-09-25  9:26       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 05/32] savevm: QMP command for cprload Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 16:14   ` Eric Blake
2020-07-30 18:00     ` Steven Sistare
2020-09-11 17:18       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:49         ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 06/32] savevm: HMP Command " Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 07/32] savevm: QMP command for cprinfo Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 16:17   ` Eric Blake
2020-07-30 18:02     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 08/32] savevm: HMP " Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 17:27   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:50     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 09/32] savevm: prevent cprsave if memory is volatile Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 17:35   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:51     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 10/32] kvmclock: restore paused KVM clock Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 17:50   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-25 18:07     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 11/32] cpu: disable ticks when suspended Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 17:53   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 20:42     ` Steven Sistare
2020-09-25  9:03       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 12/32] vl: pause option Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 16:20   ` Eric Blake
2020-07-30 18:11     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31 10:07       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 15:18         ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 17:03   ` Alex Bennée
2020-07-30 18:14     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31  9:44       ` Alex Bennée
2020-09-11 17:59       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:51         ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 13/32] gdbstub: gdb support for suspended state Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 18:41   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:51     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 14/32] savevm: VMS_RESTART and cprsave restart Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 16:22   ` Eric Blake
2020-07-30 18:14     ` Steven Sistare
2020-09-11 18:44   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:44     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 15/32] vl: QEMU_START_FREEZE env var Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 18:49   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:47     ` Steven Sistare
2020-09-25 15:52       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 16/32] oslib: add qemu_clr_cloexec Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 18:52   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 17/32] util: env var helpers Steve Sistare
2020-09-11 19:00   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:52     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 18/32] osdep: import MADV_DOEXEC Steve Sistare
2020-08-17 18:30   ` Steven Sistare
2020-08-17 20:48     ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-17 21:20       ` Steven Sistare
2020-08-17 21:44         ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-18  2:42           ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-19 21:52             ` Steven Sistare
2020-08-24 22:30               ` Alex Williamson
2020-10-08 16:32                 ` Steven Sistare
2020-10-15 20:36                   ` Alex Williamson
2020-10-19 16:33                     ` Steven Sistare
2020-10-26 18:28                       ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 19/32] memory: ram_block_add cosmetic changes Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 20/32] vl: add helper to request re-exec Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 21/32] exec, memory: exec(3) to restart Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 22/32] char: qio_channel_socket_accept reuse fd Steve Sistare
2020-09-15 17:33   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-15 17:53     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-09-24 21:54     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 23/32] char: save/restore chardev socket fds Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 24/32] ui: save/restore vnc " Steve Sistare
2020-07-31  9:06   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 16:51     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 25/32] char: save/restore chardev pty fds Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 26/32] monitor: save/restore QMP negotiation status Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 27/32] vhost: reset vhost devices upon cprsave Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 28/32] char: restore terminal on restart Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 29/32] pci: export pci_update_mappings Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 30/32] vfio-pci: save and restore Steve Sistare
2020-08-06 10:22   ` Jason Zeng
2020-08-07 20:38     ` Steven Sistare
2020-08-10  3:50       ` Jason Zeng
2020-08-19 21:15         ` Steven Sistare
2020-08-20 10:33           ` Jason Zeng
2020-10-07 21:25             ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 31/32] vfio-pci: trace pci config Steve Sistare
2020-07-30 15:14 ` [PATCH V1 32/32] vfio-pci: improved tracing Steve Sistare
2020-09-15 18:49   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-24 21:52     ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 16:52 ` [PATCH V1 00/32] Live Update Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-30 18:48   ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31  8:53     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 15:27       ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31 15:52         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 17:20           ` Steven Sistare
2020-08-11 19:08           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-30 17:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-07-30 19:09   ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 21:39     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-07-31 19:22       ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 17:49 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-30 19:31   ` Steven Sistare
2020-08-04 18:18 ` Steven Sistare

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