From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD26C433E6 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E54D964F9B for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:44:34 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org E54D964F9B Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gnu.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Received: from localhost ([::1]:44444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lK10k-0005A3-0a for qemu-devel@archiver.kernel.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:44:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58220) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lK109-0004g7-S9 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:43:57 -0500 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([185.233.100.1]:38118) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lK107-0003B9-W5 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:43:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95565242; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:43:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U5MWVnpiA116; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:43:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from begin.home (unknown [IPv6:2a01:cb19:956:1b00:de41:a9ff:fe47:ec49]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 34311AC; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:43:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from samy by begin.home with local (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1lK101-00EIDU-HH; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:43:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:43:49 +0100 From: Samuel Thibault To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] usb: Un-deprecate -usbdevice (except for -usbdevice audio which gets removed) Message-ID: <20210310154349.cfi5wc4t3t5h5ltp@begin> References: <20210309165035.967853-1-thuth@redhat.com> <87y2ev2lmr.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <20210310150209.nie5fifqi5od3r5u@begin> <5139e2b3-447e-2373-71b7-6fb5af020867@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Organization: I am not organized User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170609 (1.8.3) X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: hera.aquilenet.fr X-Rspamd-Server: hera X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 95565242 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; BAYES_HAM(-3.00)[100.00%] Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=185.233.100.1; envelope-from=samuel.thibault@gnu.org; helo=hera.aquilenet.fr X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Paolo Bonzini , Thomas Huth , Gerd Hoffmann , Markus Armbruster , qemu-devel@nongnu.org Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" Daniel P. Berrangé, le mer. 10 mars 2021 15:31:48 +0000, a ecrit: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 04:26:46PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > > On 10/03/21 16:02, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > > > When trying to remove the -usbdevice option, there were complaints that > > > > > "-usbdevice braille" is still a very useful shortcut for some people. > > > > Pointer? I missed it. > > > > > > For instance > > > https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-01/msg00693.html > > > > In one sentence: "Braille is worth a special case because a subset of our > > user base (blind people) will use it 100% of the time, plus it is not > > supported by libvirt and hence virt-manager". > > If simplicity of enabling braille support is critical, we could get > something even simpler than "-usbdevice braille", and just provide > a bare "-braille" with no args required as a "do the right thing" > option ? That was discussed a bit earlier in the thread: https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-01/msg00681.html https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-01/msg00686.html https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-01/msg00687.html Just like keyboard/mouse, one would still want to specify whether the braille device is to be connected through usb or serial, so at least "-braille usb" and "-braille serial". Note https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-01/msg00689.html Paolo wrote: > Adding magic to "-device usb-braille" that creates both a > front-end and a back-end is completely the opposite of sane... The thing is: creating one without the other does not make sense. Samuel