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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Vitaly Kuznetsov" <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] migration: warn about non-migratable configurations unless '--no-migration' was specified
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:32:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210419193228.q5e6vdnqwygh22bq@habkost.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YH3QRs7VUapXZaTj@work-vm>

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 07:47:34PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Daniel P. Berrangé (berrange@redhat.com) wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 06:15:56PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 06:11:47PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > > * Eduardo Habkost (ehabkost@redhat.com) wrote:
> > > > > I would make live migration policy an enum, just to make sure
> > > > > we are explicit about the requirements:
> > > > > 
> > > > > - UNKNOWN: this is the current state in QEMU 6.0, where we don't
> > > > >   really know what the user expects.
> > > > >   This can be the default on existing versioned machine types,
> > > > >   just for compatibility.
> > > > >   I suggest making this print warnings for every migration
> > > > >   blocker (like this patch does).
> > > > >   I suggest deprecating this behavior as soon as we can.
> > > > > 
> > > > > - PREFERRED: try to make the VM migratable when possible, but
> > > > >   don't print a warning or error out if migration is blocked.
> > > > >   This seems to be the behavior expected by libvirt today.
> > > > > 
> > > > > - NOT_NEEDED: live migration is not needed, and QEMU is free to
> > > > >   enable features that block live migration or change guest ABI.
> > > > >   We can probably make this the default on machine types that
> > > > >   never supported live migration.
> > > > 
> > > > I suggest you could do this by adding:
> > > >   -warn-none-migratable
> > > >   -no-warn-none-migratable
> > > > 
> > > > and then argue about defaults another time.
> > > 
> > > If we're going to add new args, lets at least future proof our
> > > approach with an extensible option that we can wire into QMP
> > > too later
> > > 
> > >   -migratable  none|preferred|required 
> > > 
> > > and letting us add extra key/value pairs to tune it if desired.
> > 
> > Having said that, we potentially don't need a dedicated arg if we
> > just make  'migratable=none|preferred|required' be a property of
> > the machine type and hook everything off that
> 
> I think my only difficulty with that is that I don't find any of those
> 3 words 'obvious'.

Any suggestions of replacements for those 3 words?

Would the descriptions below be enough to clarify their meaning
in documentation?

- NONE: live migration is not needed, and device or machine code
  is allowed to enable features that block live migration or
  change guest ABI.
  (Not implemented yet)

- PREFERRED: machine and device code should try to make the VM
  migratable when possible, but won't emit a warning or error out
  if migration is blocked.
  (Current default behavior)

- REQUIRED: live migration support is required, and adding a
  migration blocker will be an error.
  (Implemented today by --only-migratable)

-- 
Eduardo



  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-19 20:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-15 15:44 [PATCH RFC] migration: warn about non-migratable configurations unless '--no-migration' was specified Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-04-15 16:04 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-04-15 16:30   ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-04-15 16:40     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-04-15 17:07       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-04-15 17:28   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-04-16  7:33     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-04-16 16:28       ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-04-17  9:33         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-19 16:42         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-04-19 16:48           ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-04-19 17:11         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-04-19 17:15           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-04-19 17:17             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-04-19 18:47               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-04-19 19:32                 ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2021-04-20 11:51                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-04-20 13:48                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-04-20 14:10                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-04-20 14:15                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-04-20 15:20                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-04-17  9:35 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-19  7:26   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-19 15:46   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-18 15:53 ` Peter Maydell
2021-04-19 16:28   ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-04-19 16:37     ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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