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From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:42:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210908174229.kl2zdp3juxp45kco@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210908103711.683940-2-berrange@redhat.com>

On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 11:37:07AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> Traditionally we have required that newly added QMP commands will model
> any returned data using fine grained QAPI types. This is good for
> commands that are intended to be consumed by machines, where clear data
> representation is very important. Commands that don't satisfy this have
> generally been added to HMP only.
> 
> In effect the decision of whether to add a new command to QMP vs HMP has
> been used as a proxy for the decision of whether the cost of designing a
> fine grained QAPI type is justified by the potential benefits.
> 
> As a result the commands present in QMP and HMP are non-overlapping
> sets, although HMP comamnds can be accessed indirectly via the QMP
> command 'human-monitor-command'.
> 
> One of the downsides of 'human-monitor-command' is that the QEMU monitor
> APIs remain tied into various internal parts of the QEMU code. For
> example any exclusively HMP command will need to use 'monitor_printf'
> to get data out. It would be desirable to be able to fully isolate the
> monitor implementation from QEMU internals, however, this is only
> possible if all commands are exclusively based on QAPI with direct
> QMP exposure.
> 
> The way to achieve this desired end goal is to finese the requirements
> for QMP command design. For cases where the output of a command is only
> intended for human consumption, it is reasonable to want to simplify
> the implementation by returning a plain string containing formatted
> data instead of designing a fine grained QAPI data type. This can be
> permitted if-and-only-if the command is exposed under the 'x-' name
> prefix. This indicates that the command data format is liable to
> future change and that it is not following QAPI design best practice.
> 
> The poster child example for this would be the 'info registers' HMP
> command which returns printf formatted data representing CPU state.
> This information varies enourmously across target architectures and
> changes relatively frequently as new CPU features are implemented.
> It is there as debugging data for human operators, and any machine
> usage would treat it as an opaque blob. It is thus reasonable to
> expose this in QMP as 'x-query-registers' returning a 'str' field.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
> ---
>  docs/devel/writing-qmp-commands.rst | 25 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 25 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/docs/devel/writing-qmp-commands.rst b/docs/devel/writing-qmp-commands.rst
> index 6a10a06c48..d032daa62d 100644
> --- a/docs/devel/writing-qmp-commands.rst
> +++ b/docs/devel/writing-qmp-commands.rst
> @@ -350,6 +350,31 @@ In this section we will focus on user defined types. Please, check the QAPI
>  documentation for information about the other types.
>  
>  
> +Modelling data in QAPI
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +For a QMP command that to be considered stable and supported long term there
> +is a requirement returned data should be explicitly modelled using fine grained
> +QAPI types. As a general guide, a caller of the QMP command should never need
> +to parse individual returned data fields. If a field appears to need parsing,
> +them it should be split into separate fields corresponding to each distinct

then

> +data item. This should be the common case for any new QMP command that is
> +intended to be used by machines, as opposed to exclusively human operators.
> +
> +Some QMP commands, however, are only intended as adhoc debugging aids for human

ad hoc

> +operators. While they may return large amounts of formatted data, it is not
> +expected that machines will need to parse the result. The overhead of defining
> +a fine grained QAPI type for the data may not be justified by the potential
> +benefit. In such cases, it is permitted to have a command return a simple string
> +that contains formatted data, however, it is mandatory for the command to use
> +the 'x-' name prefix. This indicates that the command is not guaranteed to be
> +long term stable / liable to change in future and is not following QAPI design
> +best practices. An example where this approach is taken is the QMP command
> +"x-query-registers". This returns a printf formatted dump of the architecture
> +specific CPU state. The way the data is formatted varies across QEMU targets,
> +is liable to change over time, and is only intended to be consumed as an opaque
> +string by machines.
> +
>  User Defined Types
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  
> -- 
> 2.31.1
>

Reviewed-by: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>


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  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-08 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-08 10:37 [PATCH 0/5] Stop adding HMP-only commands, allow QMP for all Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 10:37 ` [PATCH 1/5] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 17:42   ` Eric Blake [this message]
2021-09-09  9:33   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-10 12:46     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-10 13:45       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-10 13:52         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 10:37 ` [PATCH 2/5] hw/core: introduce 'format_state' callback to replace 'dump_state' Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 10:37 ` [PATCH 3/5] target/i386: convert to use format_state instead of dump_state Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 12:17   ` Ján Tomko
2021-09-08 18:05   ` Eric Blake
2021-09-08 22:06     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-09  9:55       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 10:37 ` [PATCH 4/5] qapi: introduce x-query-registers QMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 18:06   ` Eric Blake
2021-09-09  9:05   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-09 10:01     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 10:37 ` [PATCH 5/5] monitor: rewrite 'info registers' in terms of 'x-query-registers' Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 11:01   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-08 11:02     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 12:18 ` [PATCH 0/5] Stop adding HMP-only commands, allow QMP for all Ján Tomko
2021-09-08 15:09 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-08 15:24   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-09  4:48     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-09  8:13       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-09  8:40       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-08 16:15   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-09  6:15   ` Paolo Bonzini

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