From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: "Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Cleber Rosa <crosa@redhat.com>,
Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 02/19] flake8: Enforce shorter line length for comments and docstrings
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:08:54 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46069b93-1a44-74f5-ef18-c3138200ebe9@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf9r3ipn.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>
On 4/9/21 5:33 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 04:44:25PM +0000, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 16:33, John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> Being less terse about it: Mostly, I don't like how it enforces this
>>>> column width even for indented structures. Generally, we claim that 72
>>>> columns is "comfortable to read" and I agree.
>>>>
>>>> However, when we start in a margin, I
>>>> am not convinced that this is
>>>> actually more readable than the
>>>> alternative. We aren't using our full
>>>> 72 characters here.
>>>
>>> I agree, and I don't see any strong reason to hold our Python
>>> code to a different standard to the rest of our codebase as
>>> regards line length and comment standards.
>>
>> There's one small difference with python vs the rest of the codebase when
>> it comes to API doc strings specifically. eg we have a docstring API comment
>> in python/qemu/machine.py:
>>
>> class QEMUMachine:
>> """
>> A QEMU VM.
>>
>> Use this object as a context manager to ensure
>> the QEMU process terminates::
>>
>> with VM(binary) as vm:
>> ...
>> # vm is guaranteed to be shut down here
>> """
>>
>> This formatting, including line breaks, is preserved as-is when a user
>> requests viewing of the help:
>>
>>>>> print(help(qemu.machine.QEMUMachine))
>>
>> Help on class QEMUMachine in module qemu.machine:
>>
>> class QEMUMachine(builtins.object)
>> | QEMUMachine(binary: str, args: Sequence[str] = (), wrapper: Sequence[str] = (), name: Optional[str] = None, test_dir: str = '/var/tmp', monitor_address: Union[Tuple[str, str], str, NoneType] = None, socket_scm_helper: Optional[str] = None, sock_dir: Optional[str] = None, drain_console: bool = False, console_log: Optional[str] = None)
>> |
>> | A QEMU VM.
>> |
>> | Use this object as a context manager to ensure
>> | the QEMU process terminates::
>> |
>> | with VM(binary) as vm:
>> | ...
>> | # vm is guaranteed to be shut down here
>> |
>> | Methods defined here:
>> |
>>
>>
>> IOW, while we as QEMU maintainers may not care about keeping to a narrow
>> line width, with API docstrings, we're also declaring that none of the
>> users of the python APIs can care either. These docstrings are never
>> reflowed, so they can end up wrapping if the user's terminal is narrow
>> which looks very ugly.
>>
>>
>> So this python API docstring scenario is slightly different from our
>> main codebase, where majority of comments are only ever going to be seen
>> by QEMU maintainers, and where C API doc strings don't preserve formatting,
>> because they're turned into HTML and re-flowed.
>>
>> Having said all that, I still don't think we need to restrict ourselves
>> to 72 characters. This is not the 1980's with people using text terminals
>> with physical size constraints. I think it is fine if we let python
>> docstrings get larger - especially if the docstrings are already indented
>> 4/8/12 spaces due to the code indent context, because the code indent is
>> removed when comments are displayed. I think a 100 char line limit would
>> be fine and still not cause wrapping when using python live help().
>
> The trouble with long lines is not text terminals, it's humans. Humans
> tend to have trouble following long lines with their eyes (I sure do).
> Typographic manuals suggest to limit columns to roughly 60 characters
> for exactly that reason[*].
>
> Most doc strings are indented once (classes, functions) or twice
> (methods). 72 - 8 is roughly 60.
>
My problem with this patch isn't actually the docstrings -- it's
one-line comments.
If you can teach flake8 to allow this:
# Pretend this is a single-line comment that's 73 chars
but disallow this:
# Pretend this is a two-line comment that's 73 chars,
# and continues to a new line that's also pretty long,
# and maybe keeps going, too.
I will happily accept that patch. Without the ability to enforce the
style though, I am reluctant to pretend that it's even a preference that
we have. I think it's a waste to hunt down and re-flow single-line
comments that just barely squeak over a limit. They look worse.
We can discuss this more when we go to propose a style guide for the
Python folder; I think it's maybe a misprioritization of our energies in
the present context.
(I still have the style guide on my TODO list, and even began writing a
draft at one point, but I think we'd both like to press forward on the
Typing bits first.)
> With nesting, doc strings can become indented more. Nesting sufficient
> to squeeze the doc string width to column 72 under roughly 60 is pretty
> rare. Going beyond 72 colums to keep such doc strings readable is
> exactly what PEP 8 wants you to do.
>
> Again, I see no reason to deviate from PEP 8.
>
>
> [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Column_(typography)#Typographic_style
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-09 17:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-25 6:03 [PATCH v4 00/19] qapi: static typing conversion, pt3 John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 01/19] qapi/expr: Comment cleanup John Snow
2021-03-25 15:41 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-25 20:06 ` John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 02/19] flake8: Enforce shorter line length for comments and docstrings John Snow
2021-03-25 15:21 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-25 20:20 ` John Snow
2021-03-26 6:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-26 16:30 ` John Snow
2021-03-26 16:44 ` Peter Maydell
2021-04-08 8:32 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-08 8:58 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-04-09 9:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-09 17:08 ` John Snow [this message]
2021-04-08 8:35 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-16 12:44 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-16 20:25 ` John Snow
2021-04-17 10:52 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-20 18:06 ` John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 03/19] qapi/expr.py: Remove 'info' argument from nested check_if_str John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 04/19] qapi/expr.py: Check for dict instead of OrderedDict John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 05/19] qapi/expr.py: constrain incoming expression types John Snow
2021-03-25 14:04 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-25 20:48 ` John Snow
2021-03-26 5:40 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-26 17:12 ` John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 06/19] qapi/expr.py: Add assertion for union type 'check_dict' John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 07/19] qapi/expr.py: move string check upwards in check_type John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 08/19] qapi: add tests for invalid 'data' field type John Snow
2021-03-25 14:24 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 09/19] qapi/expr.py: Check type of 'data' member John Snow
2021-03-25 14:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-25 21:04 ` John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 10/19] qapi/expr.py: Add casts in a few select cases John Snow
2021-03-25 14:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-25 23:32 ` John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 11/19] qapi/expr.py: Modify check_keys to accept any Collection John Snow
2021-03-25 14:45 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-25 23:37 ` John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 12/19] qapi/expr.py: add type hint annotations John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 13/19] qapi/expr.py: Consolidate check_if_str calls in check_if John Snow
2021-03-25 15:15 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-26 0:07 ` John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 14/19] qapi/expr.py: Remove single-letter variable John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 15/19] qapi/expr.py: enable pylint checks John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 16/19] qapi/expr.py: Add docstrings John Snow
2021-04-14 15:04 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-17 1:00 ` John Snow
2021-04-17 13:18 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-21 1:27 ` John Snow
2021-04-21 13:58 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-04-21 18:20 ` John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 17/19] qapi/expr.py: Use tuples instead of lists for static data John Snow
2021-03-25 15:19 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 18/19] qapi/expr.py: move related checks inside check_xxx functions John Snow
2021-03-25 6:03 ` [PATCH v4 19/19] qapi/expr.py: Use an expression checker dispatch table John Snow
2021-03-25 15:46 ` [PATCH v4 00/19] qapi: static typing conversion, pt3 Markus Armbruster
2021-03-26 0:40 ` John Snow
2021-03-26 18:01 ` John Snow
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