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From: Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>,
	"Shinde, Archana M" <archana.m.shinde@intel.com>,
	"Venegas Munoz,
	Jose Carlos" <jose.carlos.venegas.munoz@intel.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	virtio-fs-list <virtio-fs@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"cdupontd@redhat.com" <cdupontd@redhat.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Dominique Martinet <asmadeus@codewreck.org>,
	v9fs-developer@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Can not set high msize with virtio-9p (Was: Re: virtiofs vs 9p performance)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 14:39:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6115734.fQeFoySBn5@silver> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210222181159.6b274945@bahia.lan>

On Montag, 22. Februar 2021 18:11:59 CET Greg Kurz wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:08:04 +0100
> Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I did not ever have a kernel crash when I boot a Linux guest with a 9pfs
> > root fs and 100 MiB msize.
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> > Should we ask virtio or 9p Linux client maintainers if
> > they can add some info what this is about?
> 
> Probably worth to try that first, even if I'm not sure anyone has a
> answer for that since all the people who worked on virtio-9p at
> the time have somehow deserted the project.

Michael, Dominique,

we are wondering here about the message size limitation of just 5 kiB in the 
9p Linux client (using virtio transport) which imposes a performance 
bottleneck, introduced by this kernel commit:

commit b49d8b5d7007a673796f3f99688b46931293873e
Author: Aneesh Kumar K.V <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:   Wed Aug 17 16:56:04 2011 +0000

    net/9p: Fix kernel crash with msize 512K
    
    With msize equal to 512K (PAGE_SIZE * VIRTQUEUE_NUM), we hit multiple
    crashes. This patch fix those.
    
    Signed-off-by: Aneesh Kumar K.V <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
    Signed-off-by: Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh@gmail.com>

Is this a fundamental maximum message size that cannot be exceeded with virtio 
in general or is there another reason for this limit that still applies?

Full discussion:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2021-02/msg06343.html

> > > > As the kernel code sais trans_mod->maxsize, maybe its something in
> > > > virtio
> > > > on qemu side that does an automatic step back for some reason. I don't
> > > > see something in the 9pfs virtio transport driver
> > > > (hw/9pfs/virtio-9p-device.c on QEMU side) that would do this, so I
> > > > would
> > > > also need to dig deeper.
> > > > 
> > > > Do you have some RAM limitation in your setup somewhere?
> > > > 
> > > > For comparison, this is how I started the VM:
> > > > 
> > > > ~/git/qemu/build/qemu-system-x86_64 \
> > > > -machine pc,accel=kvm,usb=off,dump-guest-core=off -m 2048 \
> > > > -smp 4,sockets=4,cores=1,threads=1 -rtc base=utc \
> > > > -boot strict=on -kernel
> > > > /home/bee/vm/stretch/boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-13-amd64 \
> > > > -initrd /home/bee/vm/stretch/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-13-amd64 \
> > > > -append 'root=svnRoot rw rootfstype=9p
> > > > rootflags=trans=virtio,version=9p2000.L,msize=104857600,cache=mmap
> > > > console=ttyS0' \
> > > 
> > > First obvious difference I see between your setup and mine is that
> > > you're mounting the 9pfs as root from the kernel command line. For
> > > some reason, maybe this has an impact on the check in p9_client_create()
> > > ?
> > > 
> > > Can you reproduce with a scenario like Vivek's one ?
> > 
> > Yep, confirmed. If I boot a guest from an image file first and then try to
> > manually mount a 9pfs share after guest booted, then I get indeed that
> > msize capping of just 512 kiB as well. That's far too small. :/
> 
> Maybe worth digging :
> - why no capping happens in your scenario ?

Because I was wrong.

I just figured even in the 9p rootfs scenario it does indeed cap msize to 5kiB 
as well. The output of /etc/mtab on guest side was fooling me. I debugged this 
on 9p server side and the Linux 9p client always connects with a max. msize of 
5 kiB, no matter what you do.

> - is capping really needed ?
> 
> Cheers,

That's a good question and probably depends on whether there is a limitation 
on virtio side, which I don't have an answer for. Maybe Michael or Dominique 
can answer this.

Best regards,
Christian Schoenebeck




  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-23 13:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-18 21:34 tools/virtiofs: Multi threading seems to hurt performance Vivek Goyal
2020-09-21  8:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-09-21 13:39   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-21 16:57     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-09-21  8:50 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-21 13:35   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-21 14:08     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-09-21 15:32 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-22 10:25   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-22 17:47     ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-24 21:33       ` Venegas Munoz, Jose Carlos
2020-09-24 22:10         ` virtiofs vs 9p performance(Re: tools/virtiofs: Multi threading seems to hurt performance) Vivek Goyal
2020-09-25  8:06           ` virtiofs vs 9p performance Christian Schoenebeck
2020-09-25 13:13             ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-25 15:47               ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-02-19 16:08             ` Can not set high msize with virtio-9p (Was: Re: virtiofs vs 9p performance) Vivek Goyal
2021-02-19 17:33               ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-02-19 19:01                 ` Vivek Goyal
2021-02-20 15:38                   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-02-22 12:18                     ` Greg Kurz
2021-02-22 15:08                       ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-02-22 17:11                         ` Greg Kurz
2021-02-23 13:39                           ` Christian Schoenebeck [this message]
2021-02-23 14:07                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24 15:16                               ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-02-24 15:43                                 ` Dominique Martinet
2021-02-26 13:49                                   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-02-27  0:03                                     ` Dominique Martinet
2021-03-03 14:04                                       ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-03-03 14:50                                         ` Dominique Martinet
2021-03-05 14:57                                           ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-09-25 12:41           ` virtiofs vs 9p performance(Re: tools/virtiofs: Multi threading seems to hurt performance) Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-25 13:04             ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-09-25 13:05               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-25 16:05                 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-09-25 16:33                   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-09-25 18:51                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-27 12:14                     ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-09-29 13:03                       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-29 13:28                         ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-09-29 13:49                           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-29 13:59                             ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-09-29 13:17             ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-29 13:49               ` [Virtio-fs] " Miklos Szeredi
2020-09-29 14:01                 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-29 14:54                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-09-29 15:28                 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-25 12:11       ` tools/virtiofs: Multi threading seems to hurt performance Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-25 13:11         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-21 20:16 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-22 11:09   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-09-22 22:56     ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-23 12:50 ` [Virtio-fs] " Chirantan Ekbote
2020-09-23 12:59   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-09-25 11:35   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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