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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Kinney, Michael D" <michael.d.kinney@intel.com>,
	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	"rfc@edk2.groups.io" <rfc@edk2.groups.io>,
	"Yao, Jiewen" <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
Cc: "Chen, Yingwen" <yingwen.chen@intel.com>,
	"devel@edk2.groups.io" <devel@edk2.groups.io>,
	Phillip Goerl <phillip.goerl@oracle.com>,
	qemu devel list <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Joao Marcal Lemos Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [edk2-rfc] [edk2-devel] CPU hotplug using SMM with QEMU+OVMF
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 00:18:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7f2d2f1e-2dd8-6914-c55e-61067e06b142@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E92EE9817A31E24EB0585FDF735412F5B9DA209B@ORSMSX113.amr.corp.intel.com>

On 22/08/19 22:06, Kinney, Michael D wrote:
> The SMBASE register is internal and cannot be directly accessed 
> by any CPU.  There is an SMBASE field that is member of the SMM Save
> State area and can only be modified from SMM and requires the
> execution of an RSM instruction from SMM for the SMBASE register to
> be updated from the current SMBASE field value.  The new SMBASE
> register value is only used on the next SMI.

Actually there is also an SMBASE MSR, even though in current silicon
it's read-only and its use is theoretically limited to SMM-transfer
monitors.  If that MSR could be made accessible somehow outside SMM,
that would be great.

> Once all the CPUs have been initialized for SMM, the CPUs that are not needed
> can be hot removed.  As noted above, the SMBASE value does not change on
> an INIT.  So as long as the hot add operation does not do a RESET, the
> SMBASE value must be preserved.

IIRC, hot-remove + hot-add will unplugs/plugs a completely different CPU.

> Another idea is to emulate this behavior.  If the hot plug controller
> provide registers (only accessible from SMM) to assign the SMBASE address
> for every CPU.  When a CPU is hot added, QEMU can set the internal SMBASE
> register value from the hot plug controller register value.  If the SMM
> Monarch sends an INIT or an SMI from the Local APIC to the hot added CPU,
> then the SMBASE register should not be modified and the CPU starts execution
> within TSEG the first time it receives an SMI.

Yes, this would work.  But again---if the issue is real on current
hardware too, I'd rather have a matching solution for virtual platforms.

If the current hardware for example remembers INIT-preserved across
hot-remove/hot-add, we could emulate that.

I guess the fundamental question is: how do bare metal platforms avoid
this issue, or plan to avoid this issue?  Once we know that, we can use
that information to find a way to implement it in KVM.  Only if it is
impossible we'll have a different strategy that is specific to our platform.

Paolo

> Jiewen and I can collect specific questions on this topic and continue
> the discussion here.  For example, I do not think there is any method
> other than what I referenced above to program the SMBASE register, but
> I can ask if there are any other methods.



  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-22 22:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-13 14:16 [Qemu-devel] CPU hotplug using SMM with QEMU+OVMF Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-13 16:09 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-13 16:18   ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-14 13:20   ` Yao, Jiewen
2019-08-14 14:04     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-15  9:55       ` Yao, Jiewen
2019-08-15 16:04         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-15 15:00       ` [Qemu-devel] [edk2-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-15 16:16         ` Igor Mammedov
2019-08-15 16:21         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-16  2:46           ` Yao, Jiewen
2019-08-16  7:20             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-16  7:49               ` Yao, Jiewen
2019-08-16 20:15                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-16 22:19                   ` Alex Williamson
2019-08-17  0:20                     ` Yao, Jiewen
2019-08-18 19:50                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-18 23:00                         ` Yao, Jiewen
2019-08-19 14:10                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-21 12:07                             ` Laszlo Ersek
     [not found]                           ` <E92EE9817A31E24EB0585FDF735412F5B9D9C671@ORSMSX113.amr.corp.intel.com>
2019-08-21 17:05                             ` [Qemu-devel] [edk2-rfc] " Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]                               ` <E92EE9817A31E24EB0585FDF735412F5B9D9D74A@ORSMSX113.amr.corp.intel.com>
2019-08-21 17:39                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-21 20:17                                   ` Kinney, Michael D
2019-08-22  6:18                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-22 18:29                                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-22 18:51                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-23 14:53                                           ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-22 20:13                                         ` Kinney, Michael D
2019-08-22 17:59                               ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-22 18:43                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-22 20:06                                   ` Kinney, Michael D
2019-08-22 22:18                                     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2019-08-22 22:32                                       ` Kinney, Michael D
2019-08-22 23:11                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-23  1:02                                           ` Kinney, Michael D
2019-08-23  5:00                                             ` Yao, Jiewen
2019-08-23 15:25                                               ` Kinney, Michael D
2019-08-24  1:48                                                 ` Yao, Jiewen
2019-08-27 18:31                                                   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-08-29 17:01                                                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-30 14:48                                                       ` Igor Mammedov
2019-08-30 18:46                                                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-09-02  8:45                                                           ` Igor Mammedov
2019-09-02 19:09                                                             ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-09-03 14:53                                                               ` Igor Mammedov
2019-09-03 17:20                                                                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-09-04  9:52                                                                   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-09-05 13:08                                                                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-09-05 15:45                                                                       ` Igor Mammedov
2019-09-05 15:49                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] q35: lpc: allow to lock down 128K RAM at default SMBASE address Igor Mammedov
2019-09-09 19:15                                                                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-09-09 19:20                                                                           ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-09-10 15:58                                                                           ` Igor Mammedov
2019-09-11 17:30                                                                             ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-09-17 13:11                                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] [edk2-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2019-08-26 15:30                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [edk2-rfc] [edk2-devel] CPU hotplug using SMM with QEMU+OVMF Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-27 16:23                                                   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-08-27 20:11                                                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-28 12:01                                                       ` Igor Mammedov
2019-08-29 16:25                                                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-30 13:49                                                           ` Igor Mammedov
2019-08-22 17:53                             ` Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-16 20:00           ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2019-08-15 16:07       ` [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2019-08-15 16:24         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-08-16  7:42           ` Igor Mammedov

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