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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Maxim Levitsky" <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	"John Snow" <jsnow@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: QAPI schema for desired state of LUKS keyslots
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 08:28:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87imjtajtb.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6008cc8-e7d2-87a1-384e-eb651cf40ab7@redhat.com> (Max Reitz's message of "Tue, 25 Feb 2020 18:00:27 +0100")

Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com> writes:

> On 25.02.20 17:48, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On 15.02.20 15:51, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>>> Review of this patch led to a lengthy QAPI schema design discussion.
>>>> Let me try to condense it into a concrete proposal.
>>>>
>>>> This is about the QAPI schema, and therefore about QMP.  The
>>>> human-friendly interface is out of scope.  Not because it's not
>>>> important (it clearly is!), only because we need to *focus* to have a
>>>> chance at success.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to include a few design options.  I'll mark them "Option:".
>>>>
>>>> The proposed "amend" interface takes a specification of desired state,
>>>> and figures out how to get from here to there by itself.  LUKS keyslots
>>>> are one part of desired state.
>>>>
>>>> We commonly have eight LUKS keyslots.  Each keyslot is either active or
>>>> inactive.  An active keyslot holds a secret.
>>>>
>>>> Goal: a QAPI type for specifying desired state of LUKS keyslots.
>>>>
>>>> Proposal:
>>>>
>>>>     { 'enum': 'LUKSKeyslotState',
>>>>       'data': [ 'active', 'inactive' ] }
>>>>
>>>>     { 'struct': 'LUKSKeyslotActive',
>>>>       'data': { 'secret': 'str',
>>>>                 '*iter-time': 'int } }
>>>>
>>>>     { 'struct': 'LUKSKeyslotInactive',
>>>>       'data': { '*old-secret': 'str' } }
>>>>
>>>>     { 'union': 'LUKSKeyslotAmend',
>>>>       'base': { '*keyslot': 'int',
>>>>                 'state': 'LUKSKeyslotState' }
>>>>       'discriminator': 'state',
>>>>       'data': { 'active': 'LUKSKeyslotActive',
>>>>                 'inactive': 'LUKSKeyslotInactive' } }
>>>
>>> Looks OK to me.  The only thing is that @old-secret kind of works as an
>>> address, just like @keyslot,
>> 
>> It does.
>> 
>>>                              so it might also make sense to me to put
>>> @keyslot/@old-secret into a union in the base structure.
>> 
>> I'm fine with state-specific extra adressing modes (I better be, I
>> proposed them).
>> 
>> I'd also be fine with a single state-independent addressing mode, as
>> long as we can come up with sane semantics.  Less flexible when adding
>> states, but we almost certainly won't.
>> 
>> Let's see how we could merge my two addressing modes into one.
>> 
>> The two are
>> 
>> * active
>> 
>>   keyslot     old-secret      slot(s) selected
>>   absent      N/A             one inactive slot if exist, else error
>>   present     N/A             the slot given by @keyslot
>
> Oh, I thought that maybe we could use old-secret here, too, for
> modifying the iter-time.

Update in place is unsafe.

>                           But if old-secret makes no sense for
> to-be-active slots, then there’s little point in putting old-secret in
> the base.
>
> (OTOH, specifying old-secret for to-be-active slots does have a sensible
> meaning; it’s just that we won’t support changing anything about
> already-active slots, except making them inactive.  So that might be an
> argument for not making it a syntactic error, but just a semantic error.)

Matter of taste.  I like to keep simple things syntactic, and thus
visible in introspection.

> [...]
>
>> Note we we don't really care what "inactive, both absent" does.  My
>> proposed semantics are just the most regular I could find.  We can
>> therefore resolve the conflict by picking "active, both absent":
>> 
>>   keyslot     old-secret      slot(s) selected
>>   absent      absent          one inactive slot if exist, else error
>>   present     absent          the slot given by @keyslot
>>   absent      present         all active slots holding @old-secret
>>   present     present         the slot given by @keyslot, error unless
>>                               it's active holding @old-secret
>> 
>> Changes:
>> 
>> * inactive, both absent: changed; we select "one inactive slot" instead of
>>   "all slots".
>> 
>>   "All slots" is a no-op when the current state has no active keyslots,
>>   else error.
>> 
>>   "One inactive slot" is a no-op when the current state has one, else
>>   error.  Thus, we no-op rather than error in some states.
>> 
>> * active, keyslot absent or present, old-secret present: new; selects
>>   active slot(s) holding @old-secret, no-op when old-secret == secret,
>>   else error (no in place update)
>> 
>> Can do.  It's differently irregular, and has a few more combinations
>> that are basically useless, which I find unappealing.  Matter of taste,
>> I guess.
>> 
>> Anyone got strong feelings here?
>
> The only strong feeling I have is that I absolutely don’t have a strong
> feeling about this. :)
>
> As such, I think we should just treat my rambling as such and stick to
> your proposal, since we’ve already gathered support for it.

Thanks!



  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-26  7:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-14 19:33 [PATCH 00/13] LUKS: encryption slot management using amend interface Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 01/13] qcrypto: add generic infrastructure for crypto options amendment Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 16:59   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-29 17:49     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 02/13] qcrypto-luks: implement encryption key management Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-21  7:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-21 13:13     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 17:11       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-28 17:32         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-29 17:54           ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-30 12:38           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-30 12:53             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 14:23               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-30 14:30                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 14:53                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-30 14:47               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-30 15:01                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 16:37                   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-05  8:24                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-05  9:30                       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-05 10:03                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-05 11:02                           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-05 14:31                             ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 13:44                               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 13:49                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-06 14:20                                   ` Max Reitz
2020-02-05 10:23                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-05 14:31                           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 13:20                             ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 13:36                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-06 14:25                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-06 15:19                                   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 15:23                                     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-30 15:45                 ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 17:21   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 12:58     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-02-15 14:51   ` QAPI schema for desired state of LUKS keyslots (was: [PATCH 02/13] qcrypto-luks: implement encryption key management) Markus Armbruster
2020-02-16  8:05     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-02-17  6:45       ` QAPI schema for desired state of LUKS keyslots Markus Armbruster
2020-02-17  8:19         ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-02-17 10:37     ` QAPI schema for desired state of LUKS keyslots (was: [PATCH 02/13] qcrypto-luks: implement encryption key management) Kevin Wolf
2020-02-17 11:07       ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-02-24 14:46         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-24 14:50           ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-02-17 12:28       ` QAPI schema for desired state of LUKS keyslots Markus Armbruster
2020-02-17 12:44         ` Eric Blake
2020-02-24 14:43         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-24 14:45     ` QAPI schema for desired state of LUKS keyslots (was: [PATCH 02/13] qcrypto-luks: implement encryption key management) Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-25 12:15     ` Max Reitz
2020-02-25 16:48       ` QAPI schema for desired state of LUKS keyslots Markus Armbruster
2020-02-25 17:00         ` Max Reitz
2020-02-26  7:28           ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2020-02-26  9:18             ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-02-25 17:18         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-03  9:18     ` QAPI schema for desired state of LUKS keyslots (was: [PATCH 02/13] qcrypto-luks: implement encryption key management) Maxim Levitsky
2020-03-05 12:15       ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 03/13] block: amend: add 'force' option Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 04/13] block: amend: separate amend and create options for qemu-img Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 17:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 15:54     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 05/13] block/crypto: rename two functions Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 06/13] block/crypto: implement the encryption key management Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 17:27   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 16:08     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 07/13] qcow2: extend qemu-img amend interface with crypto options Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 17:30   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 16:09     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 08/13] iotests: filter few more luks specific create options Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 17:36   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 16:12     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 09/13] qemu-iotests: qemu-img tests for luks key management Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 10/13] block: add generic infrastructure for x-blockdev-amend qmp command Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-21  7:59   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-21 13:58     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 11/13] block/crypto: implement blockdev-amend Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 17:40   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-30 16:24     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 12/13] block/qcow2: " Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-28 17:41   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-14 19:33 ` [PATCH 13/13] iotests: add tests for blockdev-amend Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 21:16 ` [PATCH 00/13] LUKS: encryption slot management using amend interface no-reply
2020-01-16 14:01   ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-01-14 21:17 ` no-reply
2020-01-16 14:19   ` Maxim Levitsky

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