On Thursday, November 28, 2019, Alex Bennée wrote: > > Aleksandar Markovic writes: > > > On Thursday, November 28, 2019, Michael Rolnik > wrote: > > > >> I don't see why you say that the peripherals are inside the chip, there > is > >> CPU within target/avr directory and then there are some peripherals in > hw > >> directory, CPU does not depend on them. what am I missing? > >> > >>> > >>> > > I meant these peripherals are physically inside the chip together with > the > > core. > > > > And USART in a micricontroler from 2010 is different than USART from one > > from 2018. > > Won't these be different chip parts? Or at least revs of the part? > > I think broadly the difference between SoC devices is handled by > handling versioning in the board models - the board being in this case a > CPU core + a bunch of SoC components + the actual board itself. > > All the target/cpu stuff needs to deal with is actual architectural > revs (c.f. target/arm/cpu[64].c). > > Michael, please take a look at this link: https://web-engineering.info/node/28 "Part number" seems to be the thing you'll need to incorporate in the overall AVR support in QEMU in order to get the correct emulation of in-chip peripherals - as Alex actually hinted. (In my opinion, you don't need it now, in the initial version, but by no means in near future.) Have a great weekend! > > > > >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:22 PM Aleksandar Markovic < > >> aleksandar.m.mail@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thursday, November 28, 2019, Michael Rolnik > wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:06 PM Aleksandar Markovic < > >>>> aleksandar.m.mail@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 6:53 PM Michael Rolnik > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > This series of patches adds 8bit AVR cores to QEMU. > >>>>> > All instruction, except BREAK/DES/SPM/SPMX, are implemented. Not > >>>>> fully tested yet. > >>>>> > However I was able to execute simple code with functions. e.g > >>>>> fibonacci calculation. > >>>>> > This series of patches include a non real, sample board. > >>>>> > No fuses support yet. PC is set to 0 at reset. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> I have a couple of general remarks, so I am responding to the cover > >>>>> letter, not individual patches. > >>>>> > >>>>> 1) The licenses for Sarah devices differ than the rest - shouldn't > all > >>>>> licenses be harmonized? > >>>> > >>>> Sarah, > >>>> do you mind if use the same license I use for my code? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> 2) There is an architectural problem with peripherals. It is possible > >>>>> that they evolve over time, so, for example, USART could not be the > >>>>> same for older and newer CPUs (in principle, newer peripheral is > >>>>> expected to be o sort of "superset" of the older). How do you solve > >>>>> that problem? Right now, it may not looks serious to you, but if you > >>>>> don;t think about that right now, from the outset, soon the code will > >>>>> become so entangled, ti woudl be almost very difficult to fix it. > >>>>> Please think about that, how would you solve it, is there a way to > >>>>> pass the information on the currently emulated CPU to the code > >>>>> covering a peripheral, and provide a different behaviour? > >>>>> > >>>> Hi Aleksandar, > >>>> > >>>> Please explain. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> My concern is about peripherals inside the chip, together with the > core. > >>> > >>> If one models, let's say an external (in the sense, it is a separate > >>> chip) ADC (analog-to-digital converter), one looks at specs, implement > what > >>> is resonable possible in QEMU, plug it in in one of machines thst > contains > >>> it, and that's it. That ADC remains the same, of course, whatever the > >>> surrounding system is. > >>> > >>> In AVR case, I think we have a phenomenon likes of which we didn't see > >>> before (at least I don't know about). Number of AVR microcontrollers is > >>> very large, and both cores and peripherals evolved. > >>> > >>> For cores, you handle differences with all these AVR_FEATURE macros, > and > >>> this seems to be working, no significant objection from my side, and > btw > >>> that was not an easy task to execute, all admiration from me. > >>> > >>> But what about peripherals inside the chip? A peripheral with the same > >>> name and the same general area of functionality may be differently > >>> specified for microcontrollers from 2010 and 2018. By the difference I > >>> don't mean starting address, but the difference in behavior. I don't > have > >>> time right now to spell many examples, but I read three different > specs, > >>> and there are differences in USART specifications. > >>> > >>> I am not clear what is your envisioned solution for these cases. Would > >>> you such close, but not the same, flabors of a peripheral treat as if > they > >>> are two completely separate cases of a peripheral? Or would you have a > >>> single peripheral that would somehow configure itself depending on the > core > >>> it is attached to? > >>> > >>> I hope I was clearer this time. > >>> > >>> Aleksandar > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't see any problem from CPU's perspective. > >>>> as for the sample board is just a sample, I hope other people will > >>>> create real models or real hw. > >>>> there was no way I could provide a CPU alone, that's why there is > sample. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Following are examples of possible usages, assuming program.elf is > >>>>> compiled for AVR cpu > >>>>> > 1. Continious non interrupted execution > >>>>> > run `qemu-system-avr -kernel program.elf` > >>>>> > 2. Continious non interrupted execution with serial output into > >>>>> telnet window > >>>>> > run `qemu-system-avr -kernel program.elf -serial > >>>>> tcp::5678,server,nowait -nographic ` > >>>>> > run `telent localhost 5678` > >>>>> > 3. Continious non interrupted execution with serial output into > >>>>> stdout > >>>>> > run `qemu-system-avr -kernel program.elf -serial stdio` > >>>>> > 4. Debugging wit GDB debugger > >>>>> > run `qemu-system-avr -kernel program.elf -s -S` > >>>>> > run `avr-gdb program.elf` and then within GDB shell `target > >>>>> remote :1234` > >>>>> > 5. Print out executed instructions > >>>>> > run `qemu-system-avr -kernel program.elf -d in_asm` > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you so much for these examples! > >>>>> > >>>>> Aleksandar > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > the patches include the following > >>>>> > 1. just a basic 8bit AVR CPU, without instruction decoding or > >>>>> translation > >>>>> > 2. CPU features which allow define the following 8bit AVR cores > >>>>> > avr1 > >>>>> > avr2 avr25 > >>>>> > avr3 avr31 avr35 > >>>>> > avr4 > >>>>> > avr5 avr51 > >>>>> > avr6 > >>>>> > xmega2 xmega4 xmega5 xmega6 xmega7 > >>>>> > 3. a definition of sample machine with SRAM, FLASH and CPU which > >>>>> allows to execute simple code > >>>>> > 4. encoding for all AVR instructions > >>>>> > 5. interrupt handling > >>>>> > 6. helpers for IN, OUT, SLEEP, WBR & unsupported instructions > >>>>> > 7. a decoder which given an opcode decides what istruction it is > >>>>> > 8. translation of AVR instruction into TCG > >>>>> > 9. all features together > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v3 > >>>>> > 1. rampD/X/Y/Z registers are encoded as 0x00ff0000 (instead of > >>>>> 0x000000ff) for faster address manipulaton > >>>>> > 2. ffs changed to ctz32 > >>>>> > 3. duplicate code removed at avr_cpu_do_interrupt > >>>>> > 4. using andc instead of not + and > >>>>> > 5. fixing V flag calculation in varios instructions > >>>>> > 6. freeing local variables in PUSH > >>>>> > 7. tcg_const_local_i32 -> tcg_const_i32 > >>>>> > 8. using sextract32 instead of my implementation > >>>>> > 9. fixing BLD instruction > >>>>> > 10.xor(r) instead of 0xff - r at COM > >>>>> > 11.fixing MULS/MULSU not to modify inputs' content > >>>>> > 12.using SUB for NEG > >>>>> > 13.fixing tcg_gen_qemu_ld/st call in XCH > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v4 > >>>>> > 1. target is now defined as big endian in order to optimize > >>>>> push_ret/pop_ret > >>>>> > 2. all style warnings are fixed > >>>>> > 3. adding cpu_set/get_sreg functions > >>>>> > 4. simplifying gen_goto_tb as there is no real paging > >>>>> > 5. env->pc -> env->pc_w > >>>>> > 6. making flag dump more compact > >>>>> > 7. more spacing > >>>>> > 8. renaming CODE/DATA_INDEX -> MMU_CODE/DATA_IDX > >>>>> > 9. removing avr_set_feature > >>>>> > 10. SPL/SPH set bug fix > >>>>> > 11. switching stb_phys to cpu_stb_data > >>>>> > 12. cleaning up avr_decode > >>>>> > 13. saving sreg, rampD/X/Y/Z, eind in HW format (savevm) > >>>>> > 14. saving CPU features (savevm) > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v5 > >>>>> > 1. BLD bug fix > >>>>> > 2. decoder generator is added > >>>>> > > >>>>> > chages since v6 > >>>>> > 1. using cpu_get_sreg/cpu_set_sreg in > avr_cpu_gdb_read_register/avr_ > >>>>> cpu_gdb_write_register > >>>>> > 2. configure the target as little endian because otherwise GDB does > >>>>> not work > >>>>> > 3. fixing and testing gen_push_ret/gen_pop_ret > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v7 > >>>>> > 1. folding back v6 > >>>>> > 2. logging at helper_outb and helper_inb are done for non supported > >>>>> yet registers only > >>>>> > 3. MAINTAINERS updated > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v8 > >>>>> > 1. removing hw/avr from hw/Makefile.obj as it should not be built > for > >>>>> all > >>>>> > 2. making linux compilable > >>>>> > 3. testing on > >>>>> > a. Mac, Apple LLVM version 7.0.0 > >>>>> > b. Ubuntu 12.04, gcc 4.9.2 > >>>>> > c. Fedora 23, gcc 5.3.1 > >>>>> > 4. folding back some patches > >>>>> > 5. translation bug fixes for ORI, CPI, XOR instructions > >>>>> > 6. propper handling of cpu register writes though memory > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v9 > >>>>> > 1. removing forward declarations of static functions > >>>>> > 2. disabling debug prints > >>>>> > 3. switching to case range instead of if else if ... > >>>>> > 4. LD/ST IN/OUT accessing CPU maintainder registers are not routed > to > >>>>> any device > >>>>> > 5. commenst about sample board and sample IO device added > >>>>> > 6. sample board description is more descriptive now > >>>>> > 7. memory_region_allocate_system_memory is used to create RAM > >>>>> > 8. now there are helper_fullrd & helper_fullwr when LD/ST try to > >>>>> access registers > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v10 > >>>>> > 1. movig back fullwr & fullrd into the commit where outb and inb > were > >>>>> introduced > >>>>> > 2. changing tlb_fill function signature > >>>>> > 3. adding empty line between functions > >>>>> > 4. adding newline on the last line of the file > >>>>> > 5. using tb->flags to generae full access ST/LD instructions > >>>>> > 6. fixing SBRC bug > >>>>> > 7. folding back 10th commit > >>>>> > 8. whenever a new file is introduced it's added to Makefile.objs > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v11 > >>>>> > 1. updating to v2.7.0-rc > >>>>> > 2. removing assignment to env->fullacc from gen_intermediate_code > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v12 > >>>>> > 1. fixing spacing > >>>>> > 2. fixing get/put_segment functions > >>>>> > 3. removing target-avr/machine.h file > >>>>> > 4. VMSTATE_SINGLE_TEST -> VMSTATE_SINGLE > >>>>> > 5. comment spelling > >>>>> > 6. removing hw/avr/sample_io.c > >>>>> > 7. char const* -> const char* > >>>>> > 8. proper ram allocation > >>>>> > 9. fixing breakpoint functionality. > >>>>> > 10.env1 -> env > >>>>> > 11.fixing avr_cpu_gdb_write_register & avr_cpu_gdb_read_register > >>>>> functions > >>>>> > 12.any cpu is removed > >>>>> > 12.feature bits are not saved into vm state > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v13 > >>>>> > 1. rebasing to v2.7.0-rc1 > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v14 > >>>>> > 1. I made self review with git gui tool. (I did not know such a > thing > >>>>> exists) > >>>>> > 2. removing all double/tripple spaces > >>>>> > 3. removing comment reference to SampleIO > >>>>> > 4. folding back some changes, so there is not deleted lines in my > code > >>>>> > 5. moving avr configuration, within configure file, before chris > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v15 > >>>>> > 1. removing IO registers cache from CPU > >>>>> > 2. implementing CBI/SBI as read(helper_inb), modify, > >>>>> write(helper_outb) > >>>>> > 3. implementing CBIC/SBIC as read(helper_inb), check, branch > >>>>> > 4. adding missing tcg_temp_free_i32 for tcg_const_i32 > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v16 > >>>>> > 1. removing EXT IO registers knoledge from CPU. These registers are > >>>>> accessible > >>>>> > by LD/ST only. CPU has no interest in them > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v17 (by Richard Henderson) > >>>>> > This is Michael's v17, with some adjustments of my own: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > 1. Fix the whitespace errors reported by "git am", > >>>>> > 2. Replace the utf-8 characters with normal ascii, > >>>>> > 3. Ditch the separate compilation of translate.c. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I retained the two separate files that could be regenerated > >>>>> > from the included cpugen program, but merged in translate-insn.c. > >>>>> > Not that it matters, but the code generated is about 3k smaller. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v18 > >>>>> > 1. moving target-avr into target/avr > >>>>> > 2. do not call cpu_exec_initfn function from avr_cpu_initfn > >>>>> > 3. call cpu_exec_realizefn avr_cpu_realizefn > >>>>> > 4. do not fail sample machine creation if no rom is suplied > >>>>> > 5. add tcg_gen_exit_tb(0) for BS_BRANCH in gen_intermediate_code > >>>>> > 6. fix a register getters/setters in machine.c > >>>>> > 7. changing QEMU_ARCH_AVR from 1<<17 to 1<<18 > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v19 > >>>>> > 1. use decodetree.py tool to decode instructions > >>>>> > 2. adding USART > >>>>> > 3. adding 16 bit timer peripherals > >>>>> > 4. changing QEMU_ARCH_AVR from 1<<18 to 1<<20 > >>>>> > 5. renaming tlb_fill to avr_cpu_tlb_fill > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v20 > >>>>> > 1. use one CPU naming convention > >>>>> > 2. merging insn16.decode & insn32.decode files > >>>>> > 3. modifying skip next instruction mechanizm > >>>>> > 4. translate BREAK as NOP for now > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v21 > >>>>> > 1. Reorganize bstate. > >>>>> > This will make transition to easier, and > >>>>> fixes a couple of bugs wrt single stepping > >>>>> > by richard.henderson@linaro.org > >>>>> > 2. Drop cpc and fix page cross condition. > >>>>> > by richard.henderson@linaro.org > >>>>> > 3. Refactor checking supported/unsupported instructions > >>>>> > 4. Add gdb-xml/avr-cpu.xml > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v22 > >>>>> > 1. Rebase > >>>>> > 2. Split long comment > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v23 > >>>>> > 1. remove avr_cpu_list_compare function > >>>>> > 2. modify avr_cpu_class_by_name function > >>>>> > 3. modify avr_cpu_list_entry function > >>>>> > 4. modify avr_cpu_list function > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v24 > >>>>> > 1. remove AVR_CPU_TYPE_NAME macro > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v25 > >>>>> > 1. fix patches. every file belong to one patch only > >>>>> > 2. change copyright year from 2016 to 2019 > >>>>> > 3. create mask device to emulate prr0/prr1 > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v26 > >>>>> > 1. add avocado acceptence test > >>>>> > 2. add boot serial test > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v27 > >>>>> > 1. list atmel2560 devices as unimplemented > >>>>> > 2. fix sram base/size > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v28 > >>>>> > 1. rebase > >>>>> > 2. fix includes & build > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v29 > >>>>> > 1. fixing ownership > >>>>> > 2. using 'since' instread of 'added in' > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v30 > >>>>> > 1. rebase > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v31 > >>>>> > 1. splitting 'Add instruction translation' commit > >>>>> > 2. fixing typo in qapi/machine.json sicne -> since > >>>>> > 3. removing unintended changes in configure file > >>>>> > 4. adding Richard Henderson as a co developer to 'Add instruction > >>>>> translation - CPU main translation funcions' commit > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v32 > >>>>> > 1. modify cpu_get_sreg to treat sreg C as other flags, except > sreg Z > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v33 > >>>>> > 1. ensure flag C is always calculated as one bit > >>>>> > 2. calculate flag Z as one bit, without using inverse logic > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v34 > >>>>> > 1. rebase > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v35 > >>>>> > 1. rebase > >>>>> > 2. use NANOSECONDS_PER_SECOND instead of 1000000000 in > avr_timer16.c > >>>>> > 3. split "target/avr: Register AVR support with the rest of QEMU" > >>>>> into three patches > >>>>> > 1. "target/avr: Register AVR support with the rest of QEMU" > >>>>> > 2. "target/avr: Update build system" > >>>>> > 3. "target/avr: Update MAINTAINERS file" > >>>>> > 4. split "target/avr: Add tests" patch into two patches > >>>>> > 1. "target/avr: Add Avocado test" > >>>>> > 2. "target/avr: Add boot serial test" > >>>>> > 5. Add instruction disassembly function > >>>>> > 6. change "since 4.2" to "since 5.0" > >>>>> > > >>>>> > changes since v36 > >>>>> > 1. rebase > >>>>> > 2. tename > >>>>> > 1. NO_CPU_REGISTERS -> NUMBER_OF_CPU_REGISTERS > >>>>> > 2. NO_IO_REGISTERS -> NUMBER_OF_IO_REGISTERS > >>>>> > 3. to_A -> to_regs_16_31_by_one > >>>>> > 4. to_B -> to_regs_16_23_by_one > >>>>> > 5. to_C -> to_regs_24_30_by_two > >>>>> > 6. to_D -> to_regs_00_30_by_two > >>>>> > 3. add missing licences > >>>>> > 4. add usage example (see above) > >>>>> > 5. ass Sarah Harris as a reviewer to > >>>>> MAINTAINERS > >>>>> > 7. use git commit sha1 instead of `master`` in avocado test > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Michael Rolnik (16): > >>>>> > target/avr: Add outward facing interfaces and core CPU logic > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction helpers > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction decoding > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction translation - Registers definition > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction translation - Arithmetic and Logic > >>>>> > Instructions > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction translation - Branch Instructions > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction translation - Bit and Bit-test > >>>>> > Instructions > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction translation - MCU Control > Instructions > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction translation - CPU main translation > >>>>> > function > >>>>> > target/avr: Add instruction disassembly function > >>>>> > target/avr: Add example board configuration > >>>>> > target/avr: Register AVR support with the rest of QEMU > >>>>> > target/avr: Update build system > >>>>> > target/avr: Add boot serial test > >>>>> > target/avr: Add Avocado test > >>>>> > target/avr: Update MAINTAINERS file > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Sarah Harris (1): > >>>>> > target/avr: Add limited support for USART and 16 bit timer > >>>>> peripherals > >>>>> > > >>>>> > configure | 7 + > >>>>> > default-configs/avr-softmmu.mak | 5 + > >>>>> > qapi/machine.json | 3 +- > >>>>> > include/disas/dis-asm.h | 6 + > >>>>> > include/hw/char/avr_usart.h | 97 + > >>>>> > include/hw/misc/avr_mask.h | 47 + > >>>>> > include/hw/timer/avr_timer16.h | 97 + > >>>>> > include/sysemu/arch_init.h | 1 + > >>>>> > target/avr/cpu-param.h | 37 + > >>>>> > target/avr/cpu-qom.h | 54 + > >>>>> > target/avr/cpu.h | 254 +++ > >>>>> > target/avr/helper.h | 29 + > >>>>> > arch_init.c | 2 + > >>>>> > hw/avr/sample.c | 282 +++ > >>>>> > hw/char/avr_usart.c | 324 ++++ > >>>>> > hw/misc/avr_mask.c | 112 ++ > >>>>> > hw/timer/avr_timer16.c | 605 ++++++ > >>>>> > target/avr/cpu.c | 576 ++++++ > >>>>> > target/avr/disas.c | 228 +++ > >>>>> > target/avr/gdbstub.c | 85 + > >>>>> > target/avr/helper.c | 354 ++++ > >>>>> > target/avr/machine.c | 121 ++ > >>>>> > target/avr/translate.c | 3052 > >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>> > tests/boot-serial-test.c | 10 + > >>>>> > tests/machine-none-test.c | 1 + > >>>>> > MAINTAINERS | 11 + > >>>>> > gdb-xml/avr-cpu.xml | 49 + > >>>>> > hw/Kconfig | 1 + > >>>>> > hw/avr/Kconfig | 6 + > >>>>> > hw/avr/Makefile.objs | 1 + > >>>>> > hw/char/Kconfig | 3 + > >>>>> > hw/char/Makefile.objs | 1 + > >>>>> > hw/misc/Kconfig | 3 + > >>>>> > hw/misc/Makefile.objs | 2 + > >>>>> > hw/timer/Kconfig | 3 + > >>>>> > hw/timer/Makefile.objs | 2 + > >>>>> > target/avr/Makefile.objs | 34 + > >>>>> > target/avr/insn.decode | 194 ++ > >>>>> > tests/Makefile.include | 2 + > >>>>> > tests/acceptance/machine_avr6.py | 56 + > >>>>> > 40 files changed, 6756 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) > >>>>> > create mode 100644 default-configs/avr-softmmu.mak > >>>>> > create mode 100644 include/hw/char/avr_usart.h > >>>>> > create mode 100644 include/hw/misc/avr_mask.h > >>>>> > create mode 100644 include/hw/timer/avr_timer16.h > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/cpu-param.h > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/cpu-qom.h > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/cpu.h > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/helper.h > >>>>> > create mode 100644 hw/avr/sample.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 hw/char/avr_usart.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 hw/misc/avr_mask.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 hw/timer/avr_timer16.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/cpu.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/disas.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/gdbstub.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/helper.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/machine.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/translate.c > >>>>> > create mode 100644 gdb-xml/avr-cpu.xml > >>>>> > create mode 100644 hw/avr/Kconfig > >>>>> > create mode 100644 hw/avr/Makefile.objs > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/Makefile.objs > >>>>> > create mode 100644 target/avr/insn.decode > >>>>> > create mode 100644 tests/acceptance/machine_avr6.py > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -- > >>>>> > 2.17.2 (Apple Git-113) > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Best Regards, > >>>> Michael Rolnik > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Best Regards, > >> Michael Rolnik > >> > > > -- > Alex Bennée > >