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From: Roman Mohr <rmohr@redhat.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: "vromanso@redhat.com" <vromanso@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-fs@redhat.com" <virtio-fs@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com" <misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com>,
	"mpatel@redhat.com" <mpatel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] virtiofsd: probe unshare(CLONE_FS) and print an error
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:59:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALDPj7uvquu=YWX_Ve7ROdj=LZWjkgPOm+wvEAynGvjeF4Xivg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200728131250.GB78409@redhat.com>

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:13 PM Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 12:00:20PM +0200, Roman Mohr wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:07 AM misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com <
> > misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Subject: [PATCH v2 3/3] virtiofsd: probe unshare(CLONE_FS) and print
> an
> > > error
> > > >
> > > > An assertion failure is raised during request processing if
> > > > unshare(CLONE_FS) fails. Implement a probe at startup so the problem
> can
> > > > be detected right away.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately Docker/Moby does not include unshare in the
> seccomp.json
> > > > list unless CAP_SYS_ADMIN is given. Other seccomp.json lists always
> > > > include unshare (e.g. podman is unaffected):
> > > >
> > >
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/seccomp/containers-golang/master/seccomp.json
> > > >
> > > > Use "docker run --security-opt seccomp=path/to/seccomp.json ..." if
> the
> > > > default seccomp.json is missing unshare.
> > >
> > > Hi, sorry for a bit late.
> > >
> > > unshare() was added to fix xattr problem:
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/qemu/qemu/commit/bdfd66788349acc43cd3f1298718ad491663cfcc#
> > > In theory we don't need to call unshare if xattr is disabled, but it is
> > > hard to get to know
> > > if xattr is enabled or disabled in fv_queue_worker(), right?
> > >
> > >
> > In kubevirt we want to run virtiofsd in containers. We would already not
> > have xattr support for e.g. overlayfs in the VM after this patch series
> (an
> > acceptable con at least for us right now).
> > If we can get rid of the unshare (and potentially of needing root) that
> > would be great. We always assume that everything which we run in
> containers
> > should work for cri-o and docker.
>
> But cri-o and docker containers run as root, isn't it? (or atleast have
> the capability to run as root). Havind said that, it will be nice to be
> able
> to run virtiofsd without root.
>

Yes they can run as root. I can tell you what we plan to do with the
containerized virtiofsd: We run it as part of the user-owned pod (a set of
containers).
One of our main goals at the moment is to run VMs in a user-owned pod
without additional privileges.
So that in case the user (VM-creator/owner) enters the pod or something
breaks out of the VM they are just in the unprivileged container sandbox.
As part of that we try to get also rid of running containers in the
user-context with the root user.

One possible scenario which I could think of as being desirable from a
kubevirt perspective:
We would run the VM in one container and have an unprivileged
virtiofsd container in parallel.
This container already has its own mount namespace and it is not that
critical if something manages to enter this sandbox.

But we are not as far yet as getting completely rid of root right now in
kubevirt, so if as a temporary step it needs root, the current proposed
changes would still be very useful for us.

Best Regards,
Roman

There are few hurdles though.
>
> - For file creation, we switch uid/gid (seteuid/setegid) and that seems
>   to require root. If we were to run unpriviliged, probably all files
>   on host will have to be owned by unpriviliged user and guest visible
>   uid/gid will have to be stored in xattrs. I think virtfs supports
>   something similar.


> I am sure there are other restrictions but this probably is the biggest
> one to overcome.
>
>  >
> > "Just" pointing docker to a different seccomp.json file is something
> which
> > k8s users/admin in many cases can't do.
>
> Or may be issue is that standard seccomp.json does not allow unshare()
> and hence you are forced to use a non-standar seccomp.json.
>
> Vivek
>
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Roman
> >
> >
> > > So, it looks good to me.
> > > Reviewed-by: Misono Tomohiro <misono.tomohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Misono
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Cc: Misono Tomohiro <misono.tomohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
> > > > ---
> > > >  tools/virtiofsd/fuse_virtio.c | 16 ++++++++++++++++
> > > >  1 file changed, 16 insertions(+)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/tools/virtiofsd/fuse_virtio.c
> > > b/tools/virtiofsd/fuse_virtio.c
> > > > index 3b6d16a041..9e5537506c 100644
> > > > --- a/tools/virtiofsd/fuse_virtio.c
> > > > +++ b/tools/virtiofsd/fuse_virtio.c
> > > > @@ -949,6 +949,22 @@ int virtio_session_mount(struct fuse_session
> *se)
> > > >  {
> > > >      int ret;
> > > >
> > > > +    /*
> > > > +     * Test that unshare(CLONE_FS) works. fv_queue_worker() will
> need
> > > it. It's
> > > > +     * an unprivileged system call but some Docker/Moby versions are
> > > known to
> > > > +     * reject it via seccomp when CAP_SYS_ADMIN is not given.
> > > > +     *
> > > > +     * Note that the program is single-threaded here so this syscall
> > > has no
> > > > +     * visible effect and is safe to make.
> > > > +     */
> > > > +    ret = unshare(CLONE_FS);
> > > > +    if (ret == -1 && errno == EPERM) {
> > > > +        fuse_log(FUSE_LOG_ERR, "unshare(CLONE_FS) failed with
> EPERM. If
> > > "
> > > > +                "running in a container please check that the
> container
> > > "
> > > > +                "runtime seccomp policy allows unshare.\n");
> > > > +        return -1;
> > > > +    }
> > > > +
> > > >      ret = fv_create_listen_socket(se);
> > > >      if (ret < 0) {
> > > >          return ret;
> > > > --
> > > > 2.26.2
> > >
> > >
>
>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-07-29  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-27 19:02 [PATCH v2 0/3] virtiofsd: allow virtiofsd to run in a container Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-27 19:02 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] virtiofsd: drop CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-27 19:02 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] virtiofsd: add container-friendly -o sandbox=chroot option Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-08-07 15:36   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-27 19:02 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] virtiofsd: probe unshare(CLONE_FS) and print an error Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-28  1:05   ` misono.tomohiro
2020-07-28 10:00     ` Roman Mohr
2020-07-28 13:12       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-07-28 15:52         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-28 20:54           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-07-28 19:12         ` Daniel Walsh
2020-07-28 21:01           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-07-29  7:59         ` Roman Mohr [this message]
2020-07-29 14:40           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-30 22:21             ` Daniel Walsh
2020-07-31  8:26               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-31  8:39                 ` Roman Mohr
2020-07-31 14:11                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-28 15:32       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-28 19:15         ` Daniel Walsh
2020-07-29 14:29           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-08-07 15:29     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-08-27 18:40 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] virtiofsd: allow virtiofsd to run in a container Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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