Re: [PATCH] make vfio and DAX cache work together

[Dev Audsin <dev.devaqemu@gmail.com>]

Thanks Dave for your explanation.
Any suggestions on how to make VFIO not attempt to map into the
unaccessible and unallocated RAM.

Best
Dev

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:00 PM Dr. David Alan Gilbert
<dgilbert@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> * Alex Williamson (alex.williamson@redhat.com) wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:29:37 +0100
> > Dev Audsin <dev.devaqemu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Alex
> > >
> > > Based on your comments and thinking a bit, wonder if it makes sense to
> > > allow DMA map for the DAX cache but make unexpected mappings to be not
> > > fatal. Please let me know your thoughts.
> >
> > I think you're still working on the assumption that simply making the
> > VM boot is an improvement, it's not.  If there's a risk that a possible
> > DMA target for the device cannot be mapped, it's better that the VM
> > fail to boot than to expose that risk.  Performance cannot compromise
> > correctness.
> >
> > We do allow DMA mappings to other device memory regions to fail
> > non-fatally with the logic that peer-to-peer DMA is often not trusted
> > to work by drivers and therefore support would be probed before
> > assuming that it works.  I don't think that same logic applies here.
> >
> > Is there something about the definition of this particular region that
> > precludes it from being a DMA target for an assigned devices?
>
> It's never really the ram that's used.
> This area is really a chunk of VMA that's mmap'd over by (chunks of)
> normal files in the underlying exported filesystem.  The actual RAM
> block itself is just a placeholder for the VMA, and is normally mapped
> PROT_NONE until an actual file is mapped on top of it.
> That cache bar is a mapping containing multiple separate file chunk
> mappings.
>
> So I guess the problems for VFIO are:
>   a) At the start it's unmapped, unaccessible, unallocated ram.
>   b) Later it's arbitrary chunks of ondisk files.
>
> [on a bad day, and it's bad even without vfio, someone truncates the
> file mapping]
>
> Dave
>
> > Otherwise if it's initially unpopulated, maybe something like the
> > RamDiscardManager could be used to insert DMA mappings as the region
> > becomes populated.
> >
> > Simply disabling mapping to boot with both features together, without
> > analyzing how that missing mapping affects their interaction is not
> > acceptable.  Thanks,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:22 PM Alex Williamson
> > > <alex.williamson@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 21:50:38 +0100
> > > > Dev Audsin <dev.devaqemu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Alex and David
> > > > >
> > > > > @Alex:
> > > > >
> > > > > Justification on why this region cannot be a DMA target for the device,
> > > > >
> > > > > virtio-fs with DAX is currently not compatible with NIC Pass through.
> > > > > When a SR-IOV VF attaches to a qemu process, vfio will try to pin the
> > > > > entire DAX Window but it is empty when the guest boots and will fail.
> > > > > A method to make VFIO and DAX to work together is to make vfio skip
> > > > > DAX cache.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently DAX cache need to be set to 0, for the SR-IOV VF to be
> > > > > attached to Kata containers. Enabling both SR-IOV VF and DAX work
> > > > > together will potentially improve performance for workloads which are
> > > > > I/O and network intensive.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, there's no actual justification described here.  You're enabling
> > > > a VM with both features, virtio-fs DAX and VFIO, but there's no
> > > > evidence that they "work together" or that your use case is simply
> > > > avoiding a scenario where the device might attempt to DMA into the area
> > > > with this designation.  With this change, if the device were to attempt
> > > > to DMA into this region, it would be blocked by the IOMMU, which might
> > > > result in a data loss within the VM.  Justification of this change
> > > > needs to prove that this region can never be a DMA target for the
> > > > device, not simply that both features can be enabled and we hope that
> > > > they don't interact.  Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
>