From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: John Levon <john.levon@nutanix.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8] introduce vfio-user protocol specification
Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 16:51:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YJK+8MrRe3ANcu7y@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210504143141.GA1078723@sent>
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On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 02:31:45PM +0000, John Levon wrote:
> On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 02:51:45PM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 04:41:22AM -0700, Thanos Makatos wrote:
> > By the way, this DMA mapping design is the eager mapping approach. Another
> > approach is the lazy mapping approach where the server requests translations
> > as necessary. The advantage is that the client does not have to send each
> > mapping to the server. In the case of VFIO_USER_DMA_READ/WRITE no mappings
> > need to be sent at all. Only mmaps need mapping messages.
>
> Are you arguing that we should implement this? It would non-trivially complicate
> the implementations on the server-side, where the library "owns" the mappings
> logic, but an API user is responsible for doing actual read/writes.
It's up to you whether the lazy DMA mapping approach is worth
investigating. It might perform better than the eager approach.
The vhost/vDPA lazy DMA mapping message is struct vhost_iotlb_msg in
Linux if you want to take a look.
> > How do potentially large messages work around max_msg_size? It is hard
> > for the client/server to anticipate the maximum message size that will
> > be required ahead of time, so they can't really know if they will hit a
> > situation where max_msg_size is too low.
>
> Are there specific messages you're worried about? would it help to add a
> specification stipulation as to minimum size that clients and servers must
> support?
>
> Ultimately the max msg size exists solely to ease implementation: with a
> reasonable fixed size, we can always consume the entire data in one go, rather
> than doing partial reads. Obviously that needs a limit to avoid unbounded
> allocations.
It came to mind when reading about the dirty bitmap messages. Memory
dirty bitmaps can become large. An 8 GB memory region has a 1 MB dirty
bitmap.
> > > +VFIO_USER_DEVICE_GET_INFO
> > > +-------------------------
> > > +
> > > +Message format
> > > +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > +
> > > ++--------------+----------------------------+
> > > +| Name | Value |
> > > ++==============+============================+
> > > +| Message ID | <ID> |
> > > ++--------------+----------------------------+
> > > +| Command | 4 |
> > > ++--------------+----------------------------+
> > > +| Message size | 32 |
> > > ++--------------+----------------------------+
> > > +| Flags | Reply bit set in reply |
> > > ++--------------+----------------------------+
> > > +| Error | 0/errno |
> > > ++--------------+----------------------------+
> > > +| Device info | VFIO device info |
> > > ++--------------+----------------------------+
> > > +
> > > +This command message is sent by the client to the server to query for basic
> > > +information about the device. The VFIO device info structure is defined in
> > > +``<linux/vfio.h>`` (``struct vfio_device_info``).
> >
> > Wait, "VFIO device info format" below is missing the cap_offset field,
> > so it's exactly not the same as <linux/vfio.h>?
>
> We had to move away from directly consuming struct vfio_device_info when
> cap_offset was added. Generally trying to use vfio.h at all seems like a bad
> idea. That's an implementation thing, but this was a dangling reference we need
> to clean up.
Okay. Dropping "<linux/vfio.h>" from the spec would solve this.
Stefan
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-05-05 15:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-04-14 11:41 [PATCH v8] introduce vfio-user protocol specification Thanos Makatos
2021-04-26 15:48 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-04-27 12:02 ` Thanos Makatos
2021-04-27 15:01 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-05-04 13:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-05-04 14:31 ` John Levon
2021-05-05 15:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2021-06-14 9:57 ` Thanos Makatos
2021-05-05 16:19 ` John Levon
2021-05-06 8:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-05-07 16:10 ` Thanos Makatos
2021-06-14 10:07 ` Thanos Makatos
2021-05-10 16:57 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-05-10 22:25 ` John Levon
2021-05-11 10:09 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-05-11 10:43 ` John Levon
2021-05-11 15:40 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-05-12 5:08 ` John Johnson
2021-05-19 21:08 ` Alex Williamson
2021-05-19 22:38 ` John Levon
2021-06-14 9:47 ` Thanos Makatos
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