From: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, den@openvz.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/7] qcow2: async handling of fragmented io
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:33:31 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b4feb9e3-2bad-4a69-12ac-83233791a3dc@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <747506be-aceb-0ab8-a4ee-c79f9a6b929a@redhat.com>
17.08.2018 22:34, Max Reitz wrote:
> On 2018-08-16 15:58, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>> 16.08.2018 03:51, Max Reitz wrote:
>>> On 2018-08-07 19:43, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>>>> Hi all!
>>>>
>>>> Here is an asynchronous scheme for handling fragmented qcow2
>>>> reads and writes. Both qcow2 read and write functions loops through
>>>> sequential portions of data. The series aim it to parallelize these
>>>> loops iterations.
>>>>
>>>> It improves performance for fragmented qcow2 images, I've tested it
>>>> as follows:
>>>>
>>>> I have four 4G qcow2 images (with default 64k block size) on my ssd disk:
>>>> t-seq.qcow2 - sequentially written qcow2 image
>>>> t-reverse.qcow2 - filled by writing 64k portions from end to the start
>>>> t-rand.qcow2 - filled by writing 64k portions (aligned) in random order
>>>> t-part-rand.qcow2 - filled by shuffling order of 64k writes in 1m clusters
>>>> (see source code of image generation in the end for details)
>>>>
>>>> and the test (sequential io by 1mb chunks):
>>>>
>>>> test write:
>>>> for t in /ssd/t-*; \
>>>> do sync; echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; echo === $t ===; \
>>>> ./qemu-img bench -c 4096 -d 1 -f qcow2 -n -s 1m -t none -w $t; \
>>>> done
>>>>
>>>> test read (same, just drop -w parameter):
>>>> for t in /ssd/t-*; \
>>>> do sync; echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; echo === $t ===; \
>>>> ./qemu-img bench -c 4096 -d 1 -f qcow2 -n -s 1m -t none $t; \
>>>> done
>>>>
>>>> short info about parameters:
>>>> -w - do writes (otherwise do reads)
>>>> -c - count of blocks
>>>> -s - block size
>>>> -t none - disable cache
>>>> -n - native aio
>>>> -d 1 - don't use parallel requests provided by qemu-img bench itself
>>> Hm, actually, why not? And how does a guest behave?
>>>
>>> If parallel requests on an SSD perform better, wouldn't a guest issue
>>> parallel requests to the virtual device and thus to qcow2 anyway?
>> Guest knows nothing about qcow2 fragmentation, so this kind of
>> "asynchronization" could be done only at qcow2 level.
> Hm, yes. I'm sorry, but without having looked closer at the series
> (which is why I'm sorry in advance), I would suspect that the
> performance improvement comes from us being able to send parallel
> requests to an SSD.
>
> So if you send large requests to an SSD, you may either send them in
> parallel or sequentially, it doesn't matter. But for small requests,
> it's better to send them in parallel so the SSD always has requests in
> its queue.
>
> I would think this is where the performance improvement comes from. But
> I would also think that a guest OS knows this and it would also send
> many requests in parallel so the virtual block device never runs out of
> requests.
>
>> However, if guest do async io, send a lot of parallel requests, it
>> behave like qemu-img without -d 1 option, and in this case,
>> parallel loop iterations in qcow2 doesn't have such great sense.
>> However, I think that async parallel requests are better in
>> general than sequential, because if device have some unused opportunity
>> of parallelization, it will be utilized.
> I agree that it probably doesn't make things worse performance-wise, but
> it's always added complexity (see the diffstat), which is why I'm just
> routinely asking how useful it is in practice. :-)
>
> Anyway, I suspect there are indeed cases where a guest doesn't send many
> requests in parallel but it makes sense for the qcow2 driver to
> parallelize it. That would be mainly when the guest reads seemingly
> sequential data that is then fragmented in the qcow2 file. So basically
> what your benchmark is testing. :-)
>
> Then, the guest could assume that there is no sense in parallelizing it
> because the latency from the device is large enough, whereas in qemu
> itself we always run dry and wait for different parts of the single
> large request to finish. So, yes, in that case, parallelization that's
> internal to qcow2 would make sense.
>
> Now another question is, does this negatively impact devices where
> seeking is slow, i.e. HDDs? Unfortunately I'm not home right now, so I
> don't have access to an HDD to test myself...
hdd:
+-----------+-----------+----------+-----------+----------+
| file | wr before | wr after | rd before | rd after |
+-----------+-----------+----------+-----------+----------+
| seq | 39.821 | 40.513 | 38.600 | 38.916 |
| reverse | 60.320 | 57.902 | 98.223 | 111.717 |
| rand | 614.826 | 580.452 | 672.600 | 465.120 |
| part-rand | 52.311 | 52.450 | 37.663 | 37.989 |
+-----------+-----------+----------+-----------+----------+
hmm. 10% degradation on "reverse" case, strange magic.. However reverse
is near to impossible.
>
>> We've already
>> use this approach in mirror and qemu-img convert.
> Indeed, but here you could always argue that this is just what guests
> do, so we should, too.
>
>> In Virtuozzo we have
>> backup, improved by parallelization of requests
>> loop too. I think, it would be good to have some general code for such
>> things in future.
> Well, those are different things, I'd think. Parallelization in
> mirror/backup/convert is useful not just because of qcow2 issues, but
> also because you have a volume to read from and a volume to write to, so
> that's where parallelization gives you some pipelining. And it gives
> you buffers for latency spikes, I guess.
>
> Max
>
--
Best regards,
Vladimir
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-20 16:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-07 17:43 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/7] qcow2: async handling of fragmented io Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-08-07 17:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/7] qcow2: move qemu_co_mutex_lock below decryption procedure Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
[not found] ` <8e1cc18c-307f-99b1-5892-713ebd17a15f@redhat.com>
[not found] ` <43277786-b6b9-e18c-b0ca-064ff7c9c0c9@redhat.com>
2018-10-01 15:56 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-08-07 17:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/7] qcow2: bdrv_co_pwritev: move encryption code out of lock Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-08-07 17:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/7] qcow2: split out reading normal clusters from qcow2_co_preadv Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
[not found] ` <6e19aaeb-8acc-beb9-5ece-9ae6101637a9@redhat.com>
2018-10-01 15:14 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-10-01 15:39 ` Max Reitz
2018-10-01 16:00 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-11-01 12:17 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-11-07 13:51 ` Max Reitz
2018-11-07 18:16 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-11-08 10:02 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-11-08 10:33 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-11-08 12:36 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-08-07 17:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/7] qcow2: async scheme for qcow2_co_preadv Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
[not found] ` <08a610aa-9c78-1c83-5e48-b93080aac87b@redhat.com>
2018-10-01 15:33 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-10-01 15:49 ` Max Reitz
2018-10-01 16:17 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-08-07 17:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/7] qcow2: refactor qcow2_co_pwritev: split out qcow2_co_do_pwritev Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
[not found] ` <5c871ce7-2cab-f897-0b06-cbc05b9ffe97@redhat.com>
2018-10-01 15:43 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-10-01 15:50 ` Max Reitz
2018-08-07 17:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/7] qcow2: refactor qcow2_co_pwritev locals scope Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-08-07 17:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/7] qcow2: async scheme for qcow2_co_pwritev Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
[not found] ` <1c8299bf-0b31-82a7-c7c4-5069581f2d94@redhat.com>
2018-10-01 15:46 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-08-16 0:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/7] qcow2: async handling of fragmented io Max Reitz
2018-08-16 13:58 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2018-08-17 19:34 ` Max Reitz
2018-08-17 19:43 ` Denis V. Lunev
2018-08-20 16:33 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy [this message]
2018-08-20 16:39 ` Max Reitz
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