From: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
Andrey Shinkevich <andrey.shinkevich@virtuozzo.com>,
qemu-block@nongnu.org
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 14/47] stream: Deal with filters
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:18:18 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ca6b9736-dea9-072a-0e21-56d772579f42@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5a6ec8b3-f3a5-7763-ba2f-215df6d0e570@redhat.com>
19.08.2020 15:39, Max Reitz wrote:
> On 10.08.20 13:04, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>> 10.08.2020 11:12, Max Reitz wrote:
>>> On 07.08.20 12:29, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>> But, with our proposed way (freeze only chain up to base_overlay
>>>> inclusively, and use backing(base_overlay) as final backing), all will
>>>> work as expected, and two parallel jobs will work..
>>>
>>> I don’t think it will work as expected because users can no longer
>>> specify which node should be the base node after streaming. And the
>>> QAPI schema says that base-node is to become the backing file of the top
>>> node after streaming.
>>
>> But this will never work with either way: base node may disappear during
>> stream. Even with you way, they only stable thing is "above-base", which
>> backing child may be completely another node at stream finish.
>
> Yeah, but after c624b015bf, that’s just how it is. I thought the best
> would be an approach where if there are no graph changes during the job,
> you would indeed end up with @base as the backing file afterwards.
>
> [...]
>
>>> Well, that still leaves the problem that users should be able to specify
>>> which node is to become the base after streaming, and that that node
>>> maybe shouldn’t be restricted to immediate children of COW images.
>>
>> And again, this is impossible even with your way. I have an idea:
>>
>> What about making the whole thing explicit?
>>
>> We add an optional parameter to stream-job: bottom-node, which is
>> mutally exclusive with specifying base.
>>
>> Then, if user specified base node, we freeze base as well, so it can't
>> disappear. User will not be able to start parallel stream with this base
>> node as top (because new stream can not insert a filter into frozen
>> chain), but for sure it's rare case, used only in iotest 30 :)).
>> Benefit: user have guarantee of what would be final backing node.
>
> Sounds very nice to me, but...
>
>> Otherwise, if user specified bottom-node, we use the way of this patch.
>> So user can run parallel streams (iotest 30 will have to use bottom-node
>> argument). No guarantee of final base-node, it would be backing of
>> bottom-node at job finish.
>>
>> But, this is incompatible change, and we probably should wait for 3
>> releases for deprecation of old behavior..
>
> ...yeah. Hm. What a pain, but right, we can just deprecate it.
>
> Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s any way we could issue a warning
> (we’d want to deprecate using the @base node in something outside of the
> stream job, and we can’t really detect this case to issue a warning).
> So it would be a deprecation found only in the deprecation notes and the
> QAPI spec...
Hmm.. add "bool frozen_only_warn" field to BdrvChild and print warning
instead of fail where c->frozen cause failure?
I can make a patch, if you don't think that its too much.
>
>> Anyway, I feel now, that you convinced me. I'm not sure that we will not
>> have to change it make filter work, but not reason to change something
>> now. Andrey, could you try to rebase your series on top of this and fix
>> iotest 30 by just specifying exact node-names in it?..
>>
>>
>> Hmmm. My thought goes further. Seems, that in this way, introducing
>> explicit filter would be incompatible change anyway: it will break
>> scenario with parallel stream jobs, when user specifies filenames, not
>> node names (user will have to specify filter-node name as base for
>> another stream job, as you said). So, it's incompatible anyway.
>>
>> What do you think of it? Could we break this scenario in one release
>> without deprecation and don't care?
>
> I don’t know, but I’m afraid I don’t think we can.
Actually, we already done so once:
Freezing of base was introduced in 4.0, when c624b015bf comes in 4.1
(there were no real user bugs or feature requests, it was just my [bad]
idea, related to the problem around our stream-filter and parallel
jobs in iotest 30).
So, at least for 4.0 we had frozen base.. Were there any bugs?
But now we live with not-frozen base for several releases..
>
>> Than I think my idea about base vs
>> bottom-node arguments for stream job may be applied. Or what to do?
>>
>> If we can't break this scenario without a deprecation, we'll have to
>> implement "implicit" filter, like for mirror, when filter-node-name is
>> not specified. And for this implicit filter we'll need additional logic
>> (closer to what I've proposed in a previous mail). Or, try to keep
>> stream without a filter (not insert it at all and behave the old way),
>> when filter-node-name is not specified. Than new features based on
>> filter will be available only when filter-node-name is specified, but
>> this is OK. The latter seems better for me.
>
> If that works...
>
>
> OK. So what I think we can do is first just take this patch as part of
> this series.
Yes, let's start with it.
> Then, we add @bottom-node separately and deprecate @base
> not being frozen.
I think we can just deprecate, and not add the bottom-node. If someone
will come during deprecation period and say that he have such use-case,
we'll add @bottom-node. Otherwise we'll just start to freeze base node
again.
>
> If it’s feasible to not add a stream filter node until the deprecation
> period is over, then that should work.
>
> Max
>
--
Best regards,
Vladimir
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-08-19 13:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-25 15:21 [PATCH v7 00/47] block: Deal with filters Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 01/47] block: Add child access functions Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:22 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-13 9:06 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-07-16 14:46 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-28 16:09 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-08-07 9:33 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-07-13 9:57 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 02/47] block: Add chain helper functions Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:20 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-09 8:24 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-09 9:07 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-13 10:18 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-07-16 14:50 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-16 15:24 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 03/47] block: bdrv_cow_child() for bdrv_has_zero_init() Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:23 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-07 9:37 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 04/47] block: bdrv_set_backing_hd() is about bs->backing Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:24 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 05/47] block: Include filters when freezing backing chain Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:25 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 06/47] block: Drop bdrv_is_encrypted() Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:41 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 07/47] block: Add bdrv_supports_compressed_writes() Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:48 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 08/47] throttle: Support compressed writes Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:52 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 09/47] copy-on-read: " Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:54 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 10/47] mirror-top: " Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:58 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-18 10:27 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-19 15:35 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-19 16:00 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 11/47] backup-top: " Max Reitz
2020-07-08 17:59 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 12/47] block: Use bdrv_filter_(bs|child) where obvious Max Reitz
2020-07-08 18:24 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-09 8:59 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-09 9:11 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 13/47] block: Use CAFs in block status functions Max Reitz
2020-07-08 19:13 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 14/47] stream: Deal with filters Max Reitz
2020-07-09 14:52 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-09 15:27 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-10 15:24 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-10 17:41 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-16 14:59 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-07 10:29 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-08-10 8:12 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-10 11:04 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-08-14 15:18 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-18 20:45 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-19 12:39 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-19 13:18 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy [this message]
2020-07-09 15:13 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-10 15:27 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-18 14:28 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-19 14:47 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-19 15:16 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 8:31 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-20 9:22 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-20 10:49 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-08-20 11:43 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 15/47] block: Use CAFs when working with backing chains Max Reitz
2020-07-10 15:28 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 16/47] block: Use bdrv_cow_child() in bdrv_co_truncate() Max Reitz
2020-07-10 15:54 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 17/47] block: Re-evaluate backing file handling in reopen Max Reitz
2020-07-10 19:42 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-16 15:04 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 18/47] block: Flush all children in generic code Max Reitz
2020-07-14 12:52 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 19/47] vmdk: Drop vmdk_co_flush() Max Reitz
2020-07-14 14:52 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-16 15:08 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 20/47] block: Iterate over children in refresh_limits Max Reitz
2020-07-14 18:37 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-16 15:14 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 21/47] block: Use CAFs in bdrv_refresh_filename() Max Reitz
2020-07-15 12:52 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-15 12:58 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-16 15:21 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 22/47] block: Use CAF in bdrv_co_rw_vmstate() Max Reitz
2020-07-15 13:39 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 23/47] block/snapshot: Fix fallback Max Reitz
2020-07-15 21:22 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-15 22:18 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 24/47] block: Use CAFs for debug breakpoints Max Reitz
2020-07-15 21:43 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 25/47] block: Def. impl.s for get_allocated_file_size Max Reitz
2020-07-15 22:56 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-19 10:57 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-19 15:53 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 26/47] block: Improve get_allocated_file_size's default Max Reitz
2020-07-20 15:12 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 27/47] blkverify: Use bdrv_sum_allocated_file_size() Max Reitz
2020-07-20 15:10 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-19 10:46 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-19 15:50 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 28/47] block/null: Implement bdrv_get_allocated_file_size Max Reitz
2020-07-20 15:10 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-24 8:58 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-24 9:49 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 29/47] blockdev: Use CAF in external_snapshot_prepare() Max Reitz
2020-07-20 16:08 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-24 9:23 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-24 10:37 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 30/47] block: Report data child for query-blockstats Max Reitz
2020-07-21 11:48 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:21 ` [PATCH v7 31/47] block: Use child access functions for QAPI queries Max Reitz
2020-07-21 12:30 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 32/47] block-copy: Use CAF to find sync=top base Max Reitz
2020-07-21 12:42 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 33/47] mirror: Deal with filters Max Reitz
2020-07-22 18:31 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-24 9:49 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-24 10:27 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-19 16:50 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 10:28 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 34/47] backup: " Max Reitz
2020-07-23 15:51 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-24 9:55 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 35/47] commit: " Max Reitz
2020-07-23 17:15 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-24 10:36 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-19 17:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-20 11:27 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-20 13:47 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 36/47] nbd: Use CAF when looking for dirty bitmap Max Reitz
2020-07-23 17:21 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 37/47] qemu-img: Use child access functions Max Reitz
2020-07-24 15:51 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-21 15:29 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-24 12:42 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 38/47] block: Drop backing_bs() Max Reitz
2020-07-24 15:55 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 39/47] blockdev: Fix active commit choice Max Reitz
2020-08-21 15:50 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-24 13:18 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-24 14:07 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-24 14:41 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-24 15:06 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 40/47] block: Inline bdrv_co_block_status_from_*() Max Reitz
2020-07-24 18:00 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 41/47] block: Leave BDS.backing_file constant Max Reitz
2020-07-27 12:27 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-28 14:10 ` Max Reitz
2020-08-24 13:14 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-24 14:29 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 42/47] iotests: Test that qcow2's data-file is flushed Max Reitz
2020-07-27 13:28 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 43/47] iotests: Let complete_and_wait() work with commit Max Reitz
2020-07-27 13:35 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 44/47] iotests: Add filter commit test cases Max Reitz
2020-07-27 17:45 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-28 14:00 ` Max Reitz
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 45/47] iotests: Add filter mirror " Max Reitz
2020-08-02 11:05 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 46/47] iotests: Add test for commit in sub directory Max Reitz
2020-08-02 12:13 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-06-25 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 47/47] iotests: Test committing to overridden backing Max Reitz
2020-08-02 11:43 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-08 17:20 ` [PATCH v7 00/47] block: Deal with filters Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-08 17:32 ` Eric Blake
2020-07-08 19:46 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-07-08 20:37 ` Eric Blake
2020-07-09 8:19 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-08 20:47 ` Eric Blake
2020-07-09 8:20 ` Max Reitz
2020-07-09 9:04 ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-08-24 15:15 ` Kevin Wolf
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