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From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
To: Bill Wendling <morbo@google.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,  "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev,  Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: use builtins to read eflags
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:58:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKwvOdnCEzHf-pUxz3aJLhW5L-LhKFUtDkfRZ0PgLy7sCqDGgA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mtl1l63m.ffs@tglx>

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 4:57 PM Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> On Wed, Dec 15 2021 at 13:18, Bill Wendling wrote:
>
> please always CC the relevant mailing lists, i.e. this lacks a cc:
> linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
>
> It's not that hard to figure that out because it's well documented.

For example, for every patch I send, I _always_ do:

$ git format-patch HEAD~
$ ./scripts/checkpatch.pl <patchfile>
$ ./scripts/get_maintainer.pl <patchfile>

Then put the above in my invocation of `git send-email` with
maintainers explicitly in --to and lists+everyone else on --cc.

> > GCC and Clang both have builtins to read from and write to the
> > EFLAGS register. This allows the compiler to determine the best way
> > to generate the code, which can improve code generation.
>
> Emphasis on *can*. Just claiming that this might improve things does not
> cut it. Where is the prove?

At the least, I expect the compiler *could* re-schedule the
instructions in the pair, which it *cant* do for inline asm. Whether
it *would* or if that's a win performance wise...*shrug*.  I'd expect
the estimated code size to be more accurate, too.

>
> IIRC, this was proposed before and the real reason was not better code
> generation but to address the confusion of clang vs. the '=rm'
> constraint which is still correct despite some clang folks having
> different opinions.
>
> So what has changed since then? AFAICT, nothing. So I consider this as
> another attempt of "let's see whether it sticks".

I wouldn't resend this kernel change until the builtins were fixed
first.  I think Reid and Phoebe's suggestion in:
https://reviews.llvm.org/D92695#inline-1086936
is probably a good start?

Once fixed, say in clang-14, the next question becomes "are we trading
sub-optimal codegen for worse codegen with previously released
versions of clang?"

Otherwise for "rm" I suspect that the code I read recently is
partially related to the issue at hand.
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/20571#issuecomment-992965798
See this comment in source:
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/9043c3d65b11b442226015acfbf8167684586cfa/llvm/lib/CodeGen/SelectionDAG/TargetLowering.cpp#L5002-L5003

IIRC, I think you (Bill) mentioned somewhere before that we might need
a new TargetLowering::ConstraintType, perhaps something like
`TargetLowering::C_Register_Or_Memory`?  I suspect that the
conservative approach of "m" being chosen over "r" in "rm" is to avoid
register exhaustion during register allocation.  I'm not sure if the
`TargetLowering::ConstraintType` or `TargetLowering::AsmOperandInfo`
makes it through to register allocation, but I'd imagine if they did
then we'd first try to allocate these to a register, and if there was
later register pressure, we could then consider these as a possible
spill candidate, evicting them from a dedicated physical register.

Take that with a grain of salt; while that sounds nice, it's not often
I've touched register allocation!  I've also only really studied the
greedy register allocator.

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 11:55 AM Bill Wendling <morbo@google.com> wrote:
> The minimal version of GCC is now 5.1, which supports these builtins.
> That wasn't the case before.

That's worthwhile to put in the commit message.
-- 
Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-16 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-15 21:18 [PATCH] x86: use builtins to read eflags Bill Wendling
2021-12-15 22:46 ` Nathan Chancellor
2021-12-15 23:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-16 20:00   ` Bill Wendling
2021-12-16 20:07     ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-12-16  0:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-12-16 19:55   ` Bill Wendling
2021-12-17 12:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-17 19:39     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-14 23:09     ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-15  0:08       ` Bill Wendling
2021-12-16 19:58   ` Nick Desaulniers [this message]
2021-12-29  2:12 ` [PATCH v2] " Bill Wendling
2022-01-27 20:56   ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-04  0:16   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-04  0:58     ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-04  0:57   ` [PATCH v3] " Bill Wendling
2022-02-07 22:11     ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-08  9:14       ` David Laight
2022-02-08 23:18         ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-14 23:53         ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-10 22:31     ` [PATCH v4] " Bill Wendling
2022-02-11 16:40       ` David Laight
2022-02-11 19:25         ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-11 22:09           ` David Laight
2022-02-11 23:33             ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-12  0:24           ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-12  9:23             ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-15  0:33               ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-03-01 20:19       ` [PATCH v5] " Bill Wendling
2022-03-14 23:07         ` Bill Wendling
     [not found]           ` <AC3D873E-A28B-41F1-8BF4-2F6F37BCEEB4@zytor.com>
2022-03-15  7:19             ` Bill Wendling
2022-03-17 15:43               ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-17 18:00                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-03-17 18:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 19:45                     ` Bill Wendling
2022-03-17 20:13                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 21:10                         ` Bill Wendling
2022-03-17 21:21                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 21:45                             ` Bill Wendling
2022-03-17 22:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 23:14                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 23:19                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-17 23:31                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18  0:05                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-17 22:37                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-17 20:13                     ` Florian Weimer
2022-03-17 20:36                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18  0:25                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-18  1:21                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18  1:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 21:05                     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-03-17 21:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18 17:59                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-18 18:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18 21:48                             ` Andrew Cooper
2022-03-18 23:10                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18 23:42                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-19  1:13                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-19 23:15                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-18 22:09                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-18 22:33                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-18 22:36                               ` David Laight
2022-03-18 22:47                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-18 22:43                             ` David Laight
2022-03-18 23:03                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-18 23:04                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-18 23:52                           ` David Laight

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