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From: Simon Barber <simon-vp0mx6+5gkqFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
To: Wojciech Dubowik
	<wojciech.dubowik-ASv44eHyqLVBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: radiotap-sUITvd46vNxg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: MCS field - STBC and Ness
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:53:04 -0700
Message-ID: <4FAD43F0.20807@superduper.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FAD41E4.3090803-vp0mx6+5gkqFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>

OK - perhaps a simpler/better suggestion would be for the STBC2 bit to 
just be the second bit of STBC information.

Simon


On Fri 11 May 2012 09:44:20 AM PDT, Simon Barber wrote:
> One possible solution would be to adopt your proposal to add a single
> bit STBC, but also add a second bit to the 'knows' byte - STBC2. If
> this second bit is set, then it indicates STBC=2. This would leave one
> remaining bit in the 'knows' byte, to indicate the presence of Ness
> information, and 2 bits in the 'flags' byte for 2 bits of Ness
> information.
>
> Copying the MCS definition from the radiotap.org website:
>
> The known field indicates which information is known:
>
> known definition
> 0x01 bandwidth
> 0x02 MCS index known (in mcs part of the field)
> 0x04 guard interval
> 0x08 HT format
> 0x10 FEC type
> 0x20 STBC - STBC is known
> 0x40 STBC2 - 2 STBC streams are present
> 0x80 Ness - Number of extra spatial streams is known
>
> The flags field is any combination of the following:
>
> flag definition
> 0x03 bandwidth - 0: 20, 1: 40, 2: 20L, 3: 20U
> 0x04 guard interval - 0: long GI, 1: short GI
> 0x08 HT format - 0: mixed, 1: greenfield
> 0x10 FEC type - 0: BCC, 1: LDPC
> 0x20 STBC - 0: no STBC streams, 1: 1 or 2 STBC streams (see STBC2)
> 0xc0 Ness - Number of extra spatial streams.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> On Fri 11 May 2012 12:04:51 AM PDT, Wojciech Dubowik wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Atheros families 9002 and 9003 support only one STBC stream. I think I
>> have seen a Ralink chipset
>> which supports 2 stream at least on receive. I am not sure about
>> transmiter.
>> On Atheros you get STBC flag and two bits Ness field for received
>> packets but In the patch there is is only flag reading but you could
>> add Ness yourself it's only two bits left from the flag.
>>
>> Myself I have tested only one stream but I did it only by looking
>> whether other party is setting rx descriptor bit. I don't know how it
>> looks "in the air". I trust manufacturer;o)
>>
>> It's true that only one bit was allocated in wireshark extension.
>> Should have been two but it's a bit waste. My proposal wasn't accepted
>> but in the end I think it's ok becasue I have managed to get all info
>> in vendor namesapes where I can do what I want.
>>
>> Br,
>> Wojtek
>>
>>>
>>> I am writing a Wireshark extension to visualise 802.11 frames on a
>>> timeline. In order to do this I need to be able to calculate the
>>> duration from start of TX to end of TX for each frame.
>>>
>>> For 802.11n I need to know the number of HT-DLTF and HT-ELTF training
>>> symbols that are sent in the header - I have everything else needed
>>> to calculate the duration. Given the MCS and the STBC and the Ness
>>> (Number of extension spatial streams) I can calculate the number of
>>> training symbols.
>>>
>>> Both STBC and Ness are encoded in the HT-SIG transmitted at the start
>>> of each HT frame.
>>>
>>> The current proposal (or has it not yet been accepted?) for STBC
>>> allocates just 1 bit - but the STBC field can have values or 0, 1 or 2.
>>>
>>> Ness can be 0-3, so the remaining 2 bits could be allocated to Ness,
>>> but this does not solve the problem of how to encode the modes with 2
>>> spatial streams and 2 additional streams for STBC.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what current hardware supports - STBC values or
>>> 0,1,2? Ness values of 0-3?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions for how to convey these
>>>
>>> Simon
>>

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Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-11  0:31 Simon Barber
     [not found] ` <4FAC5DE0.90708-vp0mx6+5gkqFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-11  7:04   ` Wojciech Dubowik
     [not found]     ` <4FACBA13.9040509-ASv44eHyqLVBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-11 16:44       ` Simon Barber
     [not found]         ` <4FAD41E4.3090803-vp0mx6+5gkqFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-11 16:53           ` Simon Barber [this message]
     [not found]             ` <4FAD43F0.20807-vp0mx6+5gkqFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-11 18:35               ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                 ` <1336761346.8739.3.camel-8upI4CBIZJIJvtFkdXX2HixXY32XiHfO@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-12  4:27                   ` Simon Barber
     [not found]                     ` <4FADE69F.9040100-vp0mx6+5gkqFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-05  9:12                       ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                         ` <1341479550.4455.36.camel-8upI4CBIZJIJvtFkdXX2HixXY32XiHfO@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01  0:22                           ` Simon Barber
     [not found]                             ` <5091C0BC.4040305-vp0mx6+5gkqFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02  0:24                               ` Simon Barber
     [not found]                                 ` <509312DB.7070100-vp0mx6+5gkqFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 14:35                                   ` Johannes Berg
2012-11-17  6:32                                   ` Standardisation - adding 2 bit STBC and Ness to MCS Simon Barber
2012-07-04 17:06   ` MCS field - STBC and Ness David Young

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