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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] rcu/tree: Try to invoke_rcu_core() if in_irq() during unlock
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:29:27 -0700
Message-ID: <20190819022927.GS28441@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190819014623.GC160903@google.com>

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 09:46:23PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 09:41:43PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 06:21:53PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> [snip]
> > > > > Also, your commit log's point #2 is "in_irq() implies in_interrupt()
> > > > > which implies raising softirq will not do any wake ups."  This mention
> > > > > of softirq seems a bit odd, given that we are going to wake up a rcuc
> > > > > kthread.  Of course, this did nothing to quell my suspicions.  ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, I should delete this #2 from the changelog since it is not very relevant
> > > > (I feel now). My point with #2 was that even if were to raise a softirq
> > > > (which we are not), a scheduler wakeup of ksoftirqd is impossible in this
> > > > path anyway since in_irq() implies in_interrupt().
> > > 
> > > Please!  Could you also add a first-principles explanation of why
> > > the added condition is immune from scheduler deadlocks?
> > 
> > Sure I can add an example in the change log, however I was thinking of this
> > example which you mentioned:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190627173831.GW26519@linux.ibm.com/
> > 
> > 	previous_reader()
> > 	{
> > 		rcu_read_lock();
> > 		do_something(); /* Preemption happened here. */
> > 		local_irq_disable(); /* Cannot be the scheduler! */
> > 		do_something_else();
> > 		rcu_read_unlock();  /* Must defer QS, task still queued. */
> > 		do_some_other_thing();
> > 		local_irq_enable();
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	current_reader() /* QS from previous_reader() is still deferred. */
> > 	{
> > 		local_irq_disable();  /* Might be the scheduler. */
> > 		do_whatever();
> > 		rcu_read_lock();
> > 		do_whatever_else();
> > 		rcu_read_unlock();  /* Must still defer reporting QS. */
> > 		do_whatever_comes_to_mind();
> > 		local_irq_enable();
> > 	}
> > 
> > One modification of the example could be, previous_reader() could also do:
> > 	previous_reader()
> > 	{
> > 		rcu_read_lock();
> > 		do_something_that_takes_really_long(); /* causes need_qs in
> > 							  the unlock_special_union to be set */
> > 		local_irq_disable(); /* Cannot be the scheduler! */
> > 		do_something_else();
> > 		rcu_read_unlock();  /* Must defer QS, task still queued. */
> > 		do_some_other_thing();
> > 		local_irq_enable();
> > 	}
> 
> The point you were making in that thread being, current_reader() ->
> rcu_read_unlock() -> rcu_read_unlock_special() would not do any wakeups
> because previous_reader() sets the deferred_qs bit.
> 
> Anyway, I will add all of this into the changelog.

Examples are good, but what makes it so that there are no examples of
its being unsafe?

And a few questions along the way, some quick quiz, some more serious.
Would it be safe if it checked in_interrupt() instead of in_irq()?
If not, should the in_interrupt() in the "if" condition preceding the
added "else if" be changed to in_irq()?  Would it make sense to add an
"|| !irqs_were_disabled" do your new "else if" condition?  Would the
body of the "else if" actually be executed in current mainline?

In an attempt to be at least a little constructive, I am doing some
testing of this patch overnight, along with a WARN_ON_ONCE() to see if
that invoke_rcu_core() is ever reached.

							Thanx, Paul


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Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-18 21:49 Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-08-18 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-18 22:32   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-18 22:35     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-18 23:31       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-18 23:38         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-19  1:21           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-19  1:41             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-19  1:46               ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-19  2:29                 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2019-08-19 12:57                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-19 14:33                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-19 15:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-19 16:25                         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-21 14:38                         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-21 14:56                           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-21 15:26                             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-21 15:47                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 15:39                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 15:46                               ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-21 15:26                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-20  0:14 ` Scott Wood
2019-08-20  1:40   ` Joel Fernandes

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