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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: mutt@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com,
	mingo@kernel.org, jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com, joel@joelfernandes.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/16] Prototype RCU usable from idle, exception, offline
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 15:41:46 +0100
Message-ID: <20200313144145.GA31604@lenoir> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200312181618.GA21271@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:16:18AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> This series provides two variants of Tasks RCU, a rude variant inspired
> by Steven Rostedt's use of schedule_on_each_cpu(), and a tracing variant
> requested by the BPF folks and perhaps also of use for other tracing
> use cases.
> 
> The tracing variant has explicit read-side markers to permit finite grace
> periods even given in-kernel loops in PREEMPT=n builds It also protects
> code in the idle loop, on exception entry/exit paths, and on the various
> CPU-hotplug online/offline code paths, thus having protection properties
> similar to SRCU.  However, unlike SRCU, this variant avoids expensive
> instructions in the read-side primitives, thus having read-side overhead
> similar to that of preemptible RCU.
> 
> There are of course downsides.  The grace-period code can send IPIs to
> CPUs, even when those CPUs are in the idle loop or in nohz_full userspace.
> It is necessary to scan the full tasklist, much as for Tasks RCU.  There
> is a single callback queue guarded by a single lock, again, much as for
> Tasks RCU.  If needed, these downsides can be at least partially remedied

So what we trade to fix the issues we are having with tracing against extended
grace periods, we lose in CPU isolation. That worries me a bit as tracing can
be thoroughly used with nohz_full and CPU isolation.

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2020-03-12 18:16 Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 01/16] sched/core: Add function to sample state of non-running function paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 02/16] rcu: Add per-task state to RCU CPU stall warnings paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 03/16] rcutorture: Add flag to produce non-busy-wait task stalls paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 04/16] rcu-tasks: Move Tasks RCU to its own file paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 05/16] rcu-tasks: Create struct to hold state information paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 06/16] rcu: Reinstate synchronize_rcu_mult() paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 07/16] rcutorture: Add a test for synchronize_rcu_mult() paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 08/16] rcu-tasks: Refactor RCU-tasks to allow variants to be added paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 09/16] rcu-tasks: Add an RCU-tasks rude variant paulmck
2020-03-16 19:47   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-16 20:17     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-16 20:32       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-16 21:32         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-16 21:45           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-16 22:03             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-16 22:11               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-10  9:59               ` Lai Jiangshan
2020-05-10 15:49                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-11  0:06                   ` Lai Jiangshan
2020-05-11  2:44                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-11  0:44                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2020-05-11 16:07                 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-05-11 19:48                 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-16 20:29     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 10/16] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU Tasks Rude paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 11/16] rcu-tasks: Use unique names for RCU-Tasks kthreads and messages paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 12/16] rcu-tasks: Further refactor RCU-tasks to allow adding more variants paulmck
2020-03-12 18:16 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 13/16] rcu-tasks: Code movement to allow more Tasks RCU variants paulmck
2020-03-12 18:17 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 14/16] rcu: Add an RCU Tasks Trace to simplify protection of tracing hooks paulmck
2020-03-12 18:17 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 15/16] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU Tasks Trace paulmck
2020-03-12 18:17 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 16/16] rcu-tasks: Add stall warnings " paulmck
2020-03-13 14:41 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2020-03-13 15:42   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/16] Prototype RCU usable from idle, exception, offline Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-15 17:45     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-03-15 17:59       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-16 18:36         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-16 18:52           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-16 14:45     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-03-16 15:39       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19  0:10 ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 0/22] " Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 01/22] sched/core: Add function to sample state of locked-down task paulmck
2020-03-19 17:22     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-19 17:35       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-20  2:49         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-20  3:09           ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-20 16:27             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-24  0:06           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-24  0:15             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-24 16:26               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-24 15:48             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-24 16:52               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-24 17:20                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-24 18:19                   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-25  0:58                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 02/22] rcu: Add per-task state to RCU CPU stall warnings paulmck
2020-03-19 17:27     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-19 17:41       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 03/22] rcutorture: Add flag to produce non-busy-wait task stalls paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 04/22] rcu-tasks: Move Tasks RCU to its own file paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 05/22] rcu-tasks: Create struct to hold state information paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 06/22] rcu: Reinstate synchronize_rcu_mult() paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 07/22] rcutorture: Add a test for synchronize_rcu_mult() paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 08/22] rcu-tasks: Refactor RCU-tasks to allow variants to be added paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 09/22] rcu-tasks: Add an RCU-tasks rude variant paulmck
2020-03-19 19:04     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-19 23:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 10/22] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU Tasks Rude paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 11/22] rcu-tasks: Use unique names for RCU-Tasks kthreads and messages paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 12/22] rcu-tasks: Further refactor RCU-tasks to allow adding more variants paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 13/22] rcu-tasks: Code movement to allow more Tasks RCU variants paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 14/22] rcu-tasks: Add an RCU Tasks Trace to simplify protection of tracing hooks paulmck
2020-03-19  1:37     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-19  1:58       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-19  3:40         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19 19:42     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-20  0:28       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-20  0:48         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-20  2:41           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-28 14:06             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-03-28 15:34               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 15/22] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU Tasks Trace paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 16/22] rcu-tasks: Add stall warnings " paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 17/22] rcu-tasks: Move #ifdef into tasks.h paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 18/22] rcu-tasks: Add RCU tasks to rcutorture writer stall output paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 19/22] rcu-tasks: Make rcutorture writer stall output include GP state paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 20/22] rcu-tasks: Make RCU Tasks Trace make use of RCU scheduler hooks paulmck
2020-03-19  0:10   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 21/22] rcu-tasks: Add a grace-period start time for throttling and debug paulmck
2020-03-19  0:11   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 22/22] rcu-tasks: Provide boot parameter to delay IPIs until late in grace period paulmck
2020-03-19 11:31   ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 0/22] Prototype RCU usable from idle, exception, offline Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-03-19 13:13     ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]   ` <20200319104614.11444-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-03-19 12:38     ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 03/22] rcutorture: Add flag to produce non-busy-wait task stalls Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]     ` <20200319133947.12172-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-03-19 15:22       ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]       ` <20200320040329.9840-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-03-20 16:11         ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]   ` <20200320071228.9740-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-03-20 19:14     ` [PATCH RFC v2 tip/core/rcu 04/22] rcu-tasks: Move Tasks RCU to its own file Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-27 22:23   ` [PATCH RFC v3 tip/core/rcu 0/34] Prototype RCU usable from idle, exception, offline Paul E. McKenney
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 01/34] sched/core: Add function to sample state of locked-down task paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 02/34] rcu: Add per-task state to RCU CPU stall warnings paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 03/34] rcutorture: Add flag to produce non-busy-wait task stalls paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 04/34] rcu-tasks: Move Tasks RCU to its own file paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 05/34] rcu-tasks: Create struct to hold state information paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 06/34] rcu: Reinstate synchronize_rcu_mult() paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 07/34] rcutorture: Add a test for synchronize_rcu_mult() paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 08/34] rcu-tasks: Refactor RCU-tasks to allow variants to be added paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 09/34] rcu-tasks: Add an RCU-tasks rude variant paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 10/34] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU Tasks Rude paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 11/34] rcu-tasks: Use unique names for RCU-Tasks kthreads and messages paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 12/34] rcu-tasks: Further refactor RCU-tasks to allow adding more variants paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 13/34] rcu-tasks: Code movement to allow more Tasks RCU variants paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 14/34] rcu-tasks: Add an RCU Tasks Trace to simplify protection of tracing hooks paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 15/34] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU Tasks Trace paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 16/34] rcu-tasks: Add stall warnings " paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 17/34] rcu-tasks: Move #ifdef into tasks.h paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 18/34] rcu-tasks: Add RCU tasks to rcutorture writer stall output paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 19/34] rcu-tasks: Make rcutorture writer stall output include GP state paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 20/34] rcu-tasks: Make RCU Tasks Trace make use of RCU scheduler hooks paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 21/34] rcu-tasks: Add a grace-period start time for throttling and debug paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 22/34] rcu-tasks: Provide boot parameter to delay IPIs until late in grace period paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 23/34] rcu-tasks: Split ->trc_reader_need_end paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 24/34] rcu-tasks: Add grace-period and IPI counts to statistics paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 25/34] rcu-tasks: Add Kconfig option to mediate smp_mb() vs. IPI paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 26/34] rcu-tasks: Avoid IPIing userspace/idle tasks if kernel is so built paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 27/34] rcu-tasks: Allow rcu_read_unlock_trace() under scheduler locks paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 28/34] rcu-tasks: Disable CPU hotplug across RCU tasks trace scans paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 29/34] rcu-tasks: Handle the running-offline idle-task special case paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 30/34] rcu-tasks: Make RCU tasks trace also wait for idle tasks paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 31/34] rcu-tasks: Add rcu_dynticks_zero_in_eqs() effectiveness statistics paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 32/34] rcu-tasks: Add count for idle tasks on offline CPUs paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 33/34] rcutorture: Add TRACE02 scenario enabling RCU Tasks Trace IPIs paulmck
2020-03-27 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 tip/core/rcu 34/34] rcu-tasks: Add IPI failure count to statistics paulmck
2020-04-15 18:18     ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 0/38] Prototype RCU usable from idle, exception, offline Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 01/38] rcu: Add comments marking transitions between RCU watching and not paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 02/38] rcu-tasks: Use context-switch hook for PREEMPT=y kernels paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 03/38] sched/core: Add function to sample state of locked-down task paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 04/38] rcu: Add per-task state to RCU CPU stall warnings paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 05/38] rcu-tasks: Move Tasks RCU to its own file paulmck
2020-05-10  7:42         ` Lai Jiangshan
2020-05-10 15:39           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 06/38] rcu-tasks: Create struct to hold state information paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 07/38] rcu: Reinstate synchronize_rcu_mult() paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 08/38] rcutorture: Add a test for synchronize_rcu_mult() paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 09/38] rcu-tasks: Refactor RCU-tasks to allow variants to be added paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 10/38] rcu-tasks: Add an RCU-tasks rude variant paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 11/38] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU Tasks Rude paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 12/38] rcu-tasks: Use unique names for RCU-Tasks kthreads and messages paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 13/38] rcu-tasks: Further refactor RCU-tasks to allow adding more variants paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 14/38] rcu-tasks: Code movement to allow more Tasks RCU variants paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 15/38] rcu-tasks: Add an RCU Tasks Trace to simplify protection of tracing hooks paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 16/38] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU Tasks Trace paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 17/38] rcu-tasks: Add stall warnings " paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 18/38] rcu-tasks: Move #ifdef into tasks.h paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 19/38] rcu-tasks: Add RCU tasks to rcutorture writer stall output paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 20/38] rcu-tasks: Make rcutorture writer stall output include GP state paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 21/38] rcu-tasks: Make RCU Tasks Trace make use of RCU scheduler hooks paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 22/38] rcu-tasks: Add a grace-period start time for throttling and debug paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 23/38] rcu-tasks: Provide boot parameter to delay IPIs until late in grace period paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 24/38] rcu-tasks: Split ->trc_reader_need_end paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 25/38] rcu-tasks: Add grace-period and IPI counts to statistics paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 26/38] rcu-tasks: Add Kconfig option to mediate smp_mb() vs. IPI paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 27/38] rcu-tasks: Avoid IPIing userspace/idle tasks if kernel is so built paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 28/38] rcu-tasks: Allow rcu_read_unlock_trace() under scheduler locks paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 29/38] rcu-tasks: Disable CPU hotplug across RCU tasks trace scans paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 30/38] rcu-tasks: Handle the running-offline idle-task special case paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 31/38] rcu-tasks: Make RCU tasks trace also wait for idle tasks paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 32/38] rcu-tasks: Add rcu_dynticks_zero_in_eqs() effectiveness statistics paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 33/38] rcu-tasks: Add count for idle tasks on offline CPUs paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 34/38] rcutorture: Add TRACE02 scenario enabling RCU Tasks Trace IPIs paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 35/38] rcu-tasks: Add IPI failure count to statistics paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 36/38] rcu-tasks: Allow standalone use of TASKS_{TRACE_,}RCU paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 37/38] ftrace: Use synchronize_rcu_tasks_rude() instead of ftrace_sync() paulmck
2020-04-15 18:19       ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/rcu 38/38] rcu: Don't acquire lock in NMI handler in rcu_nmi_enter_common() paulmck

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