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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Use static initializer for krc.lock
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 13:13:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200422111324.cummbkw2faxoeaxk@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200421180914.GT17661@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

On 2020-04-21 11:09:14 [-0700], Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Yes but why do we do this raw_spinlock_t here? It is not yet needed on
> > v5.6-RT as I *did* check. It also complicates the code for !RT but
> > nobody responded to that part but…
> 
> I did respond by pointing out that the essentially similar call_rcu()
> function ends up being invoked pretty much everywhere, including early
> boot before rcu_init() has been invoked.  It is therefore only reasonable
> to assume that there will be a need for kfree_rcu() to tolerate a similar
> range of calling contexts.

Early in the boot we have IRQs disabled but also one CPU and no
scheduling. That means that not a single lock is contained.

> > That said: the current memory allocation is the problem here. The
> > remaining part is fine. The part under the lock is small enough so it
> > should not cause the trouble if it invokes queue_work() which will
> > "only" enqueue the timer. 
> 
> To your point, the small memory allocation will be going away.  The
> memory allocations will pull in 4K pages of pointers.

Oki.

> On the timer, are you thinking of the queue_work() calls or instead of
> the queue_delayed_work() calls?

As of now, on the "first" invocation of kfree_rcu() it invokes
queue_delayed_work(). The work is not active, the timer is not pending
so it always enqueues a new timer.

> > Side question: Is there any real-life workloads that benefits from this?
> > I'm asking because rcuperf allocates the kfree_rcu() the pointer right
> > away. The chances are high that the pointer are fed from the same page.
> > SLUB's build_detached_freelist() scans the page of RCU's pointers to
> > ensure that they are in the same page and then slab_free() them in one
> > go. There is lookahead = 3 so it finds three different pages it stops
> > further scanning and does slab_free() with what it found so far.
> > 
> > Which means if your kfree_rcu() collects random pointer from the system,
> > they may belong to different pages (especially if they are part of
> > different "types").
> 
> It gets significantly better performance as it currently is due to
> the reduced cache-miss rate scanning pointers in a page as opposed to
> pointer-chasing through a series of rcu_head pointers.

So the performance boost is not due to kfree_bulk() but due to the
pointers which are "in ordered".

> Yes, it might be even better if kfree_rcu() further sorted the freed
> objects per slab or maybe even per page within a slab, but one step at
> a time!  For one thing, it is not hard to imagine situations where this
> further sorting actually slowed things down, especially if the system
> was under any sort of memory pressure or if the kfree_rcu() calls were
> scattered across so many slabs and pages that it essentially reverted
> back to pointer chasing.

Okay.

> Make sense, or am I missing your point?

No, you got it.

> 							Thanx, Paul

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-22 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-15 16:00 [PATCH 0/3] rcu: Static initializer + misc Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-15 16:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Use static initializer for krc.lock Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 14:42   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 15:01     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-16 15:20       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 15:38         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-16 15:46           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 16:01             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-16 16:11               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 16:18                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-16 16:33                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 17:29                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-16 18:23                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 18:29                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-16 18:43                           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 20:56                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 21:04                               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 21:07                                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 18:40                     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-16 18:53                       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 19:24                         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-16 20:41                           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 21:05                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 17:28         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-16 15:18     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 18:41       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 18:59         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 19:26           ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-16 19:53             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-16 20:05               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-16 20:25                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-16 21:02                   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 21:18                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-16 21:26                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-16 21:28                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-16 20:36             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-16 21:00               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-16 21:34                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-17  3:05                   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-17  8:47                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-17 15:04                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-17 18:26                       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-17 18:54                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-18 12:37                           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-19 14:58                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20  0:27                               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-20  1:17                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-20  1:44                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20 12:13                                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-20 12:36                                       ` joel
2020-04-20 13:00                                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-20 13:26                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20 16:08                                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-20 16:25                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20 16:29                                                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-20 16:46                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20 16:59                                                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-20 17:21                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20 17:40                                                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-20 17:57                                                           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-20 18:13                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20 17:59                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20 19:06                                                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-20 20:17                                                               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-20 22:16                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-21  1:22                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-21  5:18                                                                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-21 13:30                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-21 13:45                                                                       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-21 13:39                                                           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-21 15:41                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-21 17:05                                                               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-21 18:09                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-22 11:13                                                                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2020-04-22 13:33                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-22 15:46                                                                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-22 16:19                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-22 16:35                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-20  3:02                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2020-04-20 12:30                                     ` joel
2020-04-17 16:11                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-19 12:15                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-15 16:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] rcu: Use consistent locking around kfree_rcu_drain_unlock() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-15 16:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] rcu: Avoid using xchg() in kfree_call_rcu_add_ptr_to_bulk() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-04-20 15:23   ` Joel Fernandes

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