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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@fb.com, mingo@kernel.org, jiangshanlai@gmail.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com, joel@joelfernandes.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH rcu 11/18] rcu: Mark lockless ->qsmask read in rcu_check_boost_fail()
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:28:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YQNj6v2o5hG/MoXZ@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210729140317.GU4397@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1>

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 07:03:17AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 04:54:30PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 01:21:19PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > Accesses to ->qsmask are normally protected by ->lock, but there is an
> > > exception in the diagnostic code in rcu_check_boost_fail().  This commit
> > > therefore applies data_race() to this access to avoid KCSAN complaining
> > > about the C-language writes protected by ->lock.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> > > ---
> > >  kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h | 2 +-
> > >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > > index 42847caa3909b..6dd6c9aa3f757 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > > +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_stall.h
> > > @@ -766,7 +766,7 @@ bool rcu_check_boost_fail(unsigned long gp_state, int *cpup)
> > >  
> > >  	rcu_for_each_leaf_node(rnp) {
> > >  		if (!cpup) {
> > > -			if (READ_ONCE(rnp->qsmask)) {
> > > +			if (data_race(READ_ONCE(rnp->qsmask))) {
> > 
> > If the write sides allow normal writes, i.e. allowing store tearing, the
> > READ_ONCE() here could read incomplete writes, which could be anything
> > basically? And we get the same result if we remove the READ_ONCE(),
> > don't we? Yes, I know, without the READ_ONCE(), compilers can do
> > anything to optimize on rnp->qsmask, but the end result is same or
> > similar to reading incomplete writes (which is also a result by compiler
> > optimization). So if we mark something as data_race(), **in theory**, it
> > makes no difference with or without the READ_ONCE(), so I think maybe we
> > can remove the READ_ONCE() here?
> 
> In this particular case, perhaps.  But there is also the possibility
> of ASSERT_EXCLUSIVE_WRITER() in conjunction with WRITE_ONCE(), and
> data_race(READ_ONCE(()) handles all such cases properly.
> 
> Again, the point here is to prevent the compiler from messing with
> the load in strange and unpredictable ways while also telling KCSAN
> that this particular read should not be considered to be part of the
> concurrent algorithm.
> 

Thanks for explaining this ;-)

I guess I'm just a little concerned that things may end up with using
data_race(READ_ONCE()) everywhere instead of data_race(), because who
doesn't want his/her racy code to be 1) not reported by KCSan (using
data_race()), and 2) less racy (using READ_ONCE())? ;-)

Regards,
Boqun

> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> > Regards,
> > Boqun
> > 
> > >  				return false;
> > >  			} else {
> > >  				if (READ_ONCE(rnp->gp_tasks))
> > > -- 
> > > 2.31.1.189.g2e36527f23
> > > 

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-30  2:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-21 20:20 [PATCH rcu 0/18] Miscellaneous fixes for v5.15 Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 01/18] rcu: Fix to include first blocked task in stall warning Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 02/18] rcu: Fix stall-warning deadlock due to non-release of rcu_node ->lock Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-03 14:24   ` Qais Yousef
2021-08-03 15:52     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-03 16:12       ` Qais Yousef
2021-08-03 16:28         ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-03 16:33           ` Qais Yousef
2021-08-04 13:50           ` Qais Yousef
2021-08-04 22:33             ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-06  9:56               ` Qais Yousef
2021-08-06  9:57   ` Qais Yousef
2021-08-06 11:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-06 12:33       ` Qais Yousef
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 03/18] rcu: Remove special bit at the bottom of the ->dynticks counter Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 04/18] rcu: Weaken ->dynticks accesses and updates Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-21 21:25     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-28 17:37   ` [PATCH v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-28 17:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-28 18:12       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-07-28 18:32         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-28 18:39           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-07-28 18:46         ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-28 18:46       ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-28 18:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-28 18:23     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-07-28 18:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-28 19:45         ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-28 20:03           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-07-28 20:28             ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-29 14:41               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-07-29 15:57                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-29 17:41                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-07-29 18:05                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-29 18:42                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-07-28 20:37     ` Josh Triplett
2021-07-28 20:47       ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-28 22:23         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-07-29  1:07           ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-29  7:58   ` [PATCH " Boqun Feng
2021-07-29 10:53     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-07-30  5:56       ` Boqun Feng
2021-07-30 17:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 05/18] rcu: Mark accesses to ->rcu_read_lock_nesting Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 06/18] rculist: Unify documentation about missing list_empty_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 07/18] rcu/tree: Handle VM stoppage in stall detection Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 08/18] rcu: Do not disable GP stall detection in rcu_cpu_stall_reset() Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 09/18] rcu: Start timing stall repetitions after warning complete Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 10/18] srcutiny: Mark read-side data races Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-29  8:23   ` Boqun Feng
2021-07-29 13:36     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 11/18] rcu: Mark lockless ->qsmask read in rcu_check_boost_fail() Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-29  8:54   ` Boqun Feng
2021-07-29 14:03     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-30  2:28       ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2021-07-30  3:26         ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 12/18] rcu: Make rcu_gp_init() and rcu_gp_fqs_loop noinline to conserve stack Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 13/18] rcu: Remove trailing spaces and tabs Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 14/18] rcu: Mark accesses in tree_stall.h Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 15/18] rcu: Remove useless "ret" update in rcu_gp_fqs_loop() Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-03 16:48   ` Joe Perches
2021-08-03 17:10     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 16/18] rcu: Use per_cpu_ptr to get the pointer of per_cpu variable Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 17/18] rcu: Explain why rcu_all_qs() is a stub in preemptible TREE RCU Paul E. McKenney
2021-07-21 20:21 ` [PATCH rcu 18/18] rcu: Print human-readable message for schedule() in RCU reader Paul E. McKenney

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