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From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
To: "Xing, Cedric" <cedric.xing@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect()
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:49:41 -0700
Message-ID: <20190610194941.GK15995@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <960B34DE67B9E140824F1DCDEC400C0F654FFD59@ORSMSX116.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 10:47:52AM -0700, Xing, Cedric wrote:
> > From: Christopherson, Sean J
> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:56 AM
> > 
> > > > As a result, LSM policies cannot be meaningfully applied, e.g. an
> > > > LSM can deny access to the EPC as a whole, but can't deny PROT_EXEC
> > > > on page that originated in a non-EXECUTE file (which is long gone by
> > > > the time
> > > > mprotect() is called).
> > >
> > > I have hard time following what is paragraph is trying to say.
> > >
> > > > By hooking mprotect(), SGX can make explicit LSM upcalls while an
> > > > enclave is being built, i.e. when the kernel has a handle to origin
> > > > of each enclave page, and enforce the result of the LSM policy
> > > > whenever userspace maps the enclave page in the future.
> > >
> > > "LSM policy whenever calls mprotect()"? I'm no sure why you mean by
> > > mapping here and if there is any need to talk about future. Isn't this
> > > needed now?
> > 
> > Future is referring to the timeline of a running kernel, not the future
> > of the kernel code.
> > 
> > Rather than trying to explain all of the above with words, I'll provide
> > code examples to show how ->may_protect() will be used by SGX and why it
> > is the preferred solution.
> 
> The LSM concept is to separate security policy enforcement from the rest of
> the kernel. For modules, the "official" way is to use VM_MAY* flags to limit
> allowable permissions, while LSM uses security_file_mprotect().
> I guess that's why we didn't have .may_mprotect() in the first place.

Heh, so I've typed up about five different responses to this comment.  In
doing so, I think I've convinced myself that ->may_mprotect() is
unnecessary.  Rther than hook mprotect(), simply update the VM_MAY* flags
during mmap(), with all bits cleared if there isn't an associated enclave
page.  IIRC, the need to add ->may_protect() came about when we were
exploring more dynamic interplay between SGX and LSMs.

> What you are doing is enforcing some security policy outside of LSM, which
> is dirty from architecture perspective.

No, the enclave page protections are enforced regardless of LSM policy,
and in v2 those protections are immutable.  Yes, the explicit enclave
page protection bits are being added primarily for LSMs, but they don't
impact functionality other than at the security_enclave_load() touchpoint.

  reply index

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06  2:11 [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] security: x86/sgx: SGX vs. LSM Sean Christopherson
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 15:06   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 15:55     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 17:47       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-10 19:49         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2019-06-10 22:06           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/5] x86/sgx: Require userspace to define enclave pages' protection bits Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 15:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 16:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 17:45       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 18:17         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12 19:26           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 18:29   ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-10 19:15     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 22:28       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-12  0:09         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-12 14:34           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12 18:20             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/5] x86/sgx: Enforce noexec filesystem restriction for enclaves Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 16:00   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 16:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-11 17:21       ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/5] LSM: x86/sgx: Introduce ->enclave_load() hook for Intel SGX Sean Christopherson
2019-06-07 19:58   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-10 16:21     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 16:05   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/5] security/selinux: Add enclave_load() implementation Sean Christopherson
2019-06-07 21:16   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-10 16:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-17 16:38   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10  7:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] security/x86/sgx: SGX specific LSM hooks Cedric Xing
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Add " Cedric Xing
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Implement SGX specific hooks in SELinux Cedric Xing
2019-06-11 13:40     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-11 22:02       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12  9:32         ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-12 14:25           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13  7:25             ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-12 19:30         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-12 22:02           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13  0:10             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13  1:02             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 17:02         ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-13 23:03           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 23:17             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14  0:31               ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14  0:46           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 15:38             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-16 22:14               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-17 16:49                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-17 17:08                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-18 15:40                   ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-14 17:16             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14 17:45               ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 17:53                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 20:01                   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-16 22:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-14 23:19             ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-11 22:55       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 18:00         ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-13 19:48           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13 21:09             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 21:02           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14  0:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Call new LSM hooks from SGX subsystem Cedric Xing
2019-06-10 17:36   ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] security/x86/sgx: SGX specific LSM hooks Jarkko Sakkinen

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