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From: "Xing, Cedric" <cedric.xing@intel.com>
To: "Christopherson, Sean J" <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	"Jarkko Sakkinen" <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect()
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:47:52 +0000
Message-ID: <960B34DE67B9E140824F1DCDEC400C0F654FFD59@ORSMSX116.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190610155549.GB15995@linux.intel.com>

> From: Christopherson, Sean J
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:56 AM
> 
> > > As a result, LSM policies cannot be meaningfully applied, e.g. an
> > > LSM can deny access to the EPC as a whole, but can't deny PROT_EXEC
> > > on page that originated in a non-EXECUTE file (which is long gone by
> > > the time
> > > mprotect() is called).
> >
> > I have hard time following what is paragraph is trying to say.
> >
> > > By hooking mprotect(), SGX can make explicit LSM upcalls while an
> > > enclave is being built, i.e. when the kernel has a handle to origin
> > > of each enclave page, and enforce the result of the LSM policy
> > > whenever userspace maps the enclave page in the future.
> >
> > "LSM policy whenever calls mprotect()"? I'm no sure why you mean by
> > mapping here and if there is any need to talk about future. Isn't this
> > needed now?
> 
> Future is referring to the timeline of a running kernel, not the future
> of the kernel code.
> 
> Rather than trying to explain all of the above with words, I'll provide
> code examples to show how ->may_protect() will be used by SGX and why it
> is the preferred solution.

The LSM concept is to separate security policy enforcement from the rest of the kernel. For modules, the "official" way is to use VM_MAY* flags to limit allowable permissions, while LSM uses security_file_mprotect(). I guess that's why we didn't have .may_mprotect() in the first place. What you are doing is enforcing some security policy outside of LSM, which is dirty from architecture perspective.

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Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06  2:11 [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] security: x86/sgx: SGX vs. LSM Sean Christopherson
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 15:06   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 15:55     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 17:47       ` Xing, Cedric [this message]
2019-06-10 19:49         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 22:06           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/5] x86/sgx: Require userspace to define enclave pages' protection bits Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 15:27   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 16:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 17:45       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 18:17         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12 19:26           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 18:29   ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-10 19:15     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-10 22:28       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-12  0:09         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-12 14:34           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12 18:20             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/5] x86/sgx: Enforce noexec filesystem restriction for enclaves Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 16:00   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10 16:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-11 17:21       ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/5] LSM: x86/sgx: Introduce ->enclave_load() hook for Intel SGX Sean Christopherson
2019-06-07 19:58   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-10 16:21     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10 16:05   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-06  2:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/5] security/selinux: Add enclave_load() implementation Sean Christopherson
2019-06-07 21:16   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-10 16:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-17 16:38   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-06-10  7:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] security/x86/sgx: SGX specific LSM hooks Cedric Xing
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Add " Cedric Xing
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Implement SGX specific hooks in SELinux Cedric Xing
2019-06-11 13:40     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-11 22:02       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-12  9:32         ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-12 14:25           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13  7:25             ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-12 19:30         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-12 22:02           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13  0:10             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13  1:02             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 17:02         ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-13 23:03           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 23:17             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14  0:31               ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14  0:46           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 15:38             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-16 22:14               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-17 16:49                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-17 17:08                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-18 15:40                   ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-14 17:16             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14 17:45               ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 17:53                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-14 20:01                   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-16 22:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-06-14 23:19             ` Dr. Greg
2019-06-11 22:55       ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 18:00         ` Stephen Smalley
2019-06-13 19:48           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-13 21:09             ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-13 21:02           ` Xing, Cedric
2019-06-14  0:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-06-10  7:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Call new LSM hooks from SGX subsystem Cedric Xing
2019-06-10 17:36   ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] security/x86/sgx: SGX specific LSM hooks Jarkko Sakkinen

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