From: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
kuba@kernel.org, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Stephen Smalley <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com>,
Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
selinux@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
syzkaller <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>
Subject: Re: selinux_netlink_send changes program behavior
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 07:14:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACT4Y+b8HiV6KFuAPysZD=5hmyO4QisgxCKi4DHU3CfMPSP=yg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhQs6eJpX4oMrhBiDap-HhEsBBgmYWEou=ZH60YiA__T7w@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:51 PM Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:27 AM Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com> wrote:
> > Hi SELinux maintainers,
> >
> > We've hit a case where a developer wasn't able to reproduce a kernel
> > bug, it turned out to be a difference in behavior between SELinux and
> > non-SELinux kernels.
> > Condensed version: a program does sendmmsg on netlink socket with 2
> > mmsghdr's, first is completely empty/zeros, second contains some
> > actual payload. Without SELinux the first mmsghdr is treated as no-op
> > and the kernel processes the second one (triggers bug). However the
> > SELinux hook does:
> >
> > static int selinux_netlink_send(struct sock *sk, struct sk_buff *skb)
> > {
> > if (skb->len < NLMSG_HDRLEN) {
> > err = -EINVAL;
> > goto out;
> > }
> >
> > and fails processing on the first empty mmsghdr (does not happen
> > without SELinux).
> >
> > Is this difference in behavior intentional/acceptable/should be fixed?
>
> From a practical perspective, SELinux is always going to need to do a
> length check as it needs to peek into the netlink message header for
> the message type so it can map that to the associated SELinux
> permissions. So in that sense, the behavior is intentional and
> desired; however from a bug-for-bug compatibility perspective ... not
> so much.
>
> Ultimately, my it's-Friday-and-it's-been-a-long-week-ending-in-a-long-day
> thought is that this was a buggy operation to begin with and the bug
> was just caught in different parts of the kernel, depending on how it
> was configured. It may not be ideal, but I can think of worse things
> (and arguably SELinux is doing the Right Thing).
+netlink maintainers for intended semantics of empty netlink messages
If it's a bug, or intended behavior depends on the intended
behavior... which I assume is not documented anywhere officially.
However, most of the netlink families use netlink_rcv_skb, which does:
int netlink_rcv_skb(struct sk_buff *skb, int (*cb)(struct sk_buff *,
struct nlmsghdr *,
struct netlink_ext_ack *))
{
...
while (skb->len >= nlmsg_total_size(0)) {
...
skb_pull(skb, msglen);
}
return 0;
}
1. How intentional is this while loop logic vs sloppy error checking?
2. netlink_rcv_skb seems to be able to handle 2+ messages in the same
skb, while selinux_netlink_send only checks the first one... so can I
skip SELinux checks by putting a malicious message after a permitted
one?..
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-04-25 5:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-24 8:27 selinux_netlink_send changes program behavior Dmitry Vyukov
2020-04-24 21:51 ` Paul Moore
2020-04-25 5:14 ` Dmitry Vyukov [this message]
2020-04-25 11:42 ` Paul Moore
2020-04-25 12:00 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-04-28 1:53 ` Paul Moore
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