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From: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	linux-audit@redhat.com, Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	keescook@chromium.org, SElinux list <selinux@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: LSM stacking in next for 6.1?
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:11:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHC9VhQy91eezWMQ=MoLe3fQSu_Rc+ZUWW2Mm3+78Mr7vS_Z0A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0fcc5444-a957-f107-25a1-3540588eab5a@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 7:20 AM Tetsuo Handa
<penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp> wrote:
> On 2022/10/25 19:26, John Johansen wrote:
> > no, Casey is not. He is trying to find a path forward to get LSM
> > stacking upstream sooner than later. He has made proposals that
> > admittedly you have not liked, but he has at least tried to propose
> > ideas that could work within the insane set of constraints.
>
> I'm OK with getting LSM stacking upstream. But changes made based on
> only built-in modules are bad. If LSM id cannot be assigned to loadable
> LSM modules at runtime because not all loadable LSM modules will be
> in-tree in order to get an LSM id assigned, loadable LSM modules won't
> be able to utilize e.g. lsm_module_list system call (or whatever
> changes made while trying to unshare resources/interfaces currently
> shared among SELinux/Smack/AppArmor).

As a reminder, the LSM layer, just like the rest of the kernel, has no
plans to provide any level of consideration or support for out-of-tree
kernel code.  LSMs which are not part of the upstream Linux kernel are
not our concern here; if they fail to work with the syscall and/or LSM
stacking changes merged, that should not be considered a blocker to
upstream development.

-- 
paul-moore.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-26 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <791e13b5-bebd-12fc-53de-e9a86df23836.ref@schaufler-ca.com>
2022-08-03  0:01 ` LSM stacking in next for 6.1? Casey Schaufler
2022-08-03  0:56   ` Paul Moore
2022-08-03  1:56     ` John Johansen
2022-08-03  2:15     ` Casey Schaufler
2022-08-03  2:33       ` Paul Moore
2022-08-03  2:34     ` Steve Grubb
2022-08-03  2:40       ` Paul Moore
2022-09-02 21:30     ` Paul Moore
2022-09-02 23:14       ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-02 23:57         ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-06 23:24         ` Paul Moore
2022-09-07  0:10           ` John Johansen
2022-09-07  0:39             ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-07  0:50               ` John Johansen
2022-09-07 14:41             ` Paul Moore
2022-09-07 16:41               ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-07 17:23                 ` John Johansen
2022-09-07 22:57                   ` Paul Moore
2022-09-07 23:27                 ` Paul Moore
2022-09-07 23:53                   ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-08  0:19                     ` John Johansen
2022-09-08  3:57                     ` Paul Moore
2022-09-08 18:05                       ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-08 18:35                         ` John Johansen
2022-09-08 19:32                         ` Paul Moore
2022-09-08 22:56                           ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-10  4:17                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-09-12 17:37                               ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-13 10:47                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-09-13 14:45                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-14 13:57                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-09-14 15:50                                       ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-15 14:27                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-09-15 14:54                                           ` John Johansen
2022-09-15  7:45                                       ` John Johansen
2022-09-15 14:27                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-25  9:48                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-25 10:26                                         ` John Johansen
2022-10-25 11:20                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-25 14:12                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2022-10-25 22:12                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-25 22:41                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2022-10-26 10:19                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-26 15:30                                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2022-10-28 10:14                                                     ` John Johansen
2022-10-30  4:03                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-30  7:23                                                         ` John Johansen
2022-10-30 14:02                                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-30 16:37                                                             ` Kees Cook
2022-10-30 20:56                                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2022-10-31 10:26                                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-31 15:47                                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2022-10-26 20:11                                             ` Paul Moore [this message]
2022-10-27  0:02                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-28  9:50                                                 ` Paul Moore
2022-10-28 13:58                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-10-28 17:40                                                     ` Kees Cook
2022-10-29  9:33                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-09-14 13:42                             ` Paul Moore
2022-09-27 20:54                               ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-27 22:37                                 ` Paul Moore
2022-09-07  0:31           ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-07 15:13             ` Paul Moore
2022-09-07 17:08               ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-07 23:04                 ` Paul Moore
2022-09-07 23:26                   ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-08 15:18   ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-09-08 16:00     ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-08 18:52     ` Paul Moore
2022-09-09 11:32       ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-09-14 13:56         ` Paul Moore
2022-09-15 14:27           ` Tetsuo Handa
2022-09-15 15:50             ` Casey Schaufler
2022-09-16 13:34               ` Tetsuo Handa

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