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From: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 000/141] Fix fall-through warnings for Clang
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 08:32:41 -0800
Message-ID: <32dc7423124b51da4e144e931bf099a368ab50a8.camel@perches.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc45750b6d0277c401015b7aa11e16cd15f32ab2.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Mon, 2020-11-23 at 07:58 -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> We're also complaining about the inability to recruit maintainers:
> 
> https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/30/hard_to_find_linux_maintainers_says_torvalds/
> 
> And burn out:
> 
> http://antirez.com/news/129

https://www.wired.com/story/open-source-coders-few-tired/

> What I'm actually trying to articulate is a way of measuring value of
> the patch vs cost ... it has nothing really to do with who foots the
> actual bill.

It's unclear how to measure value in consistency.

But one way that costs can be reduced is by automation and _not_
involving maintainers when the patch itself is provably correct.

> One thesis I'm actually starting to formulate is that this continual
> devaluing of maintainers is why we have so much difficulty keeping and
> recruiting them.

The linux kernel has something like 1500 different maintainers listed
in the MAINTAINERS file.  That's not a trivial number.

$ git grep '^M:' MAINTAINERS | sort | uniq -c | wc -l
1543
$ git grep '^M:' MAINTAINERS| cut -f1 -d'<' | sort | uniq -c | wc -l
1446

I think the question you are asking is about trust and how it
effects development.

And back to that wired story, the actual number of what you might
be considering to be maintainers is likely less than 10% of the
listed numbers above.



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Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-20 18:21 Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:28 ` Joe Perches
2020-11-20 19:02   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:32 ` [PATCH 054/141] target: " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:53 ` [PATCH 000/141] " Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20 19:04   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 19:30   ` Kees Cook
2020-11-20 19:51     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20 20:48       ` Kees Cook
2020-11-22 16:17       ` Kees Cook
2020-11-22 18:21         ` James Bottomley
2020-11-22 18:25           ` Joe Perches
2020-11-22 19:12             ` James Bottomley
2020-11-22 19:22               ` Joe Perches
2020-11-22 19:53                 ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 13:03                   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-23 16:31                     ` James Bottomley
2020-11-24 21:32                       ` Kees Cook
2020-11-24 22:24                         ` Finn Thain
2020-11-24 23:15                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-24 23:53                             ` Finn Thain
2020-11-25  1:05                               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-25  7:05                         ` James Bottomley
2020-11-25 12:24                           ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-25 21:33                             ` Finn Thain
2020-11-25 22:09                               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-25 23:21                                 ` Finn Thain
2020-11-26  0:30                                 ` Finn Thain
2020-11-25 21:10                           ` Kees Cook
2020-11-22 20:35           ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-22 22:36             ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 14:19               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-23 15:58                 ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 16:24                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-11-23 16:32                   ` Joe Perches [this message]
2020-11-23 18:56                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-23 20:37                     ` James Bottomley
2020-11-25  0:32                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-25 22:44                         ` Edward Cree
2020-11-26 14:53                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-26 15:28                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-11-26 16:18                               ` Karol Herbst
2020-11-26 17:05                               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-25 10:38                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-11-25  9:01                   ` Sean Young
2020-11-22 22:54             ` Finn Thain
2020-11-22 23:04               ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 14:05               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-24  0:58                 ` Finn Thain
2020-11-24  1:05                   ` Joe Perches
2020-11-24  2:48                     ` Finn Thain
2020-11-24 23:46                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-22 22:10           ` Sam Ravnborg
2020-11-24  1:32         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-24 21:25           ` Kees Cook
2020-11-25 23:02             ` Edward Cree
2020-12-01 14:08           ` Dan Carpenter
2020-12-01 14:04         ` Dan Carpenter
2020-11-20 22:21 ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-23 20:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-11-24 14:47   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
     [not found] ` <160616392671.21180.16517492185091399884.b4-ty@kernel.org>
2020-11-24 14:47   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-12-01  5:52 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-12-01  8:20   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-12-08  4:52 ` (subset) " Martin K. Petersen

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