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From: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 000/141] Fix fall-through warnings for Clang
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 01:32:17 +0100
Message-ID: <CANiq72kqO=bYMJnFS2uYRpgWATJ=uXxZuNUsTXT+3aLtrpnzvQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4993259d01a0064f8bb22770503490f9252f3659.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:38 PM James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>
> So you think a one line patch should take one minute to produce ... I
> really don't think that's grounded in reality.

No, I have not said that. Please don't put words in my mouth (again).

I have said *authoring* lines of *this* kind takes a minute per line.
Specifically: lines fixing the fallthrough warning mechanically and
repeatedly where the compiler tells you to, and doing so full-time for
a month.

For instance, take the following one from Gustavo. Are you really
saying it takes 12 minutes (your number) to write that `break;`?

diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/via/via_irq.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/via/via_irq.c
index 24cc445169e2..a3e0fb5b8671 100644
--- a/drivers/gpu/drm/via/via_irq.c
+++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/via/via_irq.c
@@ -364,6 +364,7 @@ int via_wait_irq(struct drm_device *dev, void
*data, struct drm_file *file_priv)
                irqwait->request.sequence +=
                        atomic_read(&cur_irq->irq_received);
                irqwait->request.type &= ~_DRM_VBLANK_RELATIVE;
+               break;
        case VIA_IRQ_ABSOLUTE:
                break;
        default:

>  I suppose a one line
> patch only takes a minute to merge with b4 if no-one reviews or tests
> it, but that's not really desirable.

I have not said that either. I said reviewing and merging those are
noise compared to any complex patch. Testing should be done by the
author comparing codegen.

> Part of what I'm trying to measure is the "and useful" bit because
> that's not a given.

It is useful since it makes intent clear. It also catches actual bugs,
which is even more valuable.

> Well, you know, subsystems are very different in terms of the amount of
> patches a maintainer has to process per release cycle of the kernel.
> If a maintainer is close to capacity, additional patches, however
> trivial, become a problem.  If a maintainer has spare cycles, trivial
> patches may look easy.

First of all, voluntary maintainers choose their own workload.
Furthermore, we already measure capacity in the `MAINTAINERS` file:
maintainers can state they can only handle a few patches. Finally, if
someone does not have time for a trivial patch, they are very unlikely
to have any time to review big ones.

> You seem to be saying that because you find it easy to merge trivial
> patches, everyone should.

Again, I have not said anything of the sort.

Cheers,
Miguel

  reply index

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-20 18:21 Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:28 ` Joe Perches
2020-11-20 19:02   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:32 ` [PATCH 054/141] target: " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:53 ` [PATCH 000/141] " Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20 19:04   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 19:30   ` Kees Cook
2020-11-20 19:51     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20 20:48       ` Kees Cook
2020-11-22 16:17       ` Kees Cook
2020-11-22 18:21         ` James Bottomley
2020-11-22 18:25           ` Joe Perches
2020-11-22 19:12             ` James Bottomley
2020-11-22 19:22               ` Joe Perches
2020-11-22 19:53                 ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 13:03                   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-23 16:31                     ` James Bottomley
2020-11-24 21:32                       ` Kees Cook
2020-11-24 22:24                         ` Finn Thain
2020-11-24 23:15                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-24 23:53                             ` Finn Thain
2020-11-25  1:05                               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-25  7:05                         ` James Bottomley
2020-11-25 12:24                           ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-25 21:33                             ` Finn Thain
2020-11-25 22:09                               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-25 23:21                                 ` Finn Thain
2020-11-26  0:30                                 ` Finn Thain
2020-11-25 21:10                           ` Kees Cook
2020-11-22 20:35           ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-22 22:36             ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 14:19               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-23 15:58                 ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 16:24                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-11-23 16:32                   ` Joe Perches
2020-11-23 18:56                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-23 20:37                     ` James Bottomley
2020-11-25  0:32                       ` Miguel Ojeda [this message]
2020-11-25 22:44                         ` Edward Cree
2020-11-26 14:53                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-26 15:28                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-11-26 16:18                               ` Karol Herbst
2020-11-26 17:05                               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-25 10:38                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-11-25  9:01                   ` Sean Young
2020-11-22 22:54             ` Finn Thain
2020-11-22 23:04               ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 14:05               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-24  0:58                 ` Finn Thain
2020-11-24  1:05                   ` Joe Perches
2020-11-24  2:48                     ` Finn Thain
2020-11-24 23:46                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-22 22:10           ` Sam Ravnborg
2020-11-24  1:32         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-24 21:25           ` Kees Cook
2020-11-25 23:02             ` Edward Cree
2020-12-01 14:08           ` Dan Carpenter
2020-12-01 14:04         ` Dan Carpenter
2020-11-20 22:21 ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-23 20:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-11-24 14:47   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
     [not found] ` <160616392671.21180.16517492185091399884.b4-ty@kernel.org>
2020-11-24 14:47   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-12-01  5:52 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-12-01  8:20   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-12-08  4:52 ` (subset) " Martin K. Petersen

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