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From: Vasili Pupkin <diggest@gmail.com>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Jordan Glover <Golden_Miller83@protonmail.ch>
Cc: "William J. Tolley" <william@breakpointingbad.com>,
	WireGuard mailing list <wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com>
Subject: Re: Regarding "Inferring and hijacking VPN-tunneled TCP connections"
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 19:03:54 +0300
Message-ID: <1bcf459c-4c08-33b2-19da-31cb62fd56a1@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9qUWRO76NJrnO5iNoWuauvMT3kf+qM1bY49bVkcBFXY9g@mail.gmail.com>

On 06.12.2019 18:08, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 4:06 PM Jordan Glover
> <Golden_Miller83@protonmail.ch> wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 8:24 PM, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If we can make nft coexistance work reliably, perhaps we can run the
>>> nft rule on systems where the nft binary simply exists.
>>>
>> Will this work correctly on systems where nft binary exist but only
>> iptables rules are used?
> That's what I meant by, "if we can make nft coexistance work reliably."
>

Take a look at the table on the bottom of this page
https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Troubleshooting#Question_4._How_do_nftables_and_iptables_interact_when_used_on_the_same_system.3F

On my system their rules coexist fine. Both nftables and iptables are 
just high level interfaces to kernel netfilter hooks after all, if 
either of them drop the packet then the packet is dropped. It is also 
possible to write the same filter using iptables, not as easy and not as 
beautiful as nft though. Finally wireguard can do this directly 
interacting with netfilter as the last resort.

I'd like if kernel developers reconsider the default system behavior on 
this... It is so stupid that the system expose all its IPs on all 
interfaces by default. But Linus don't like patches that break things 
and this will break some bad network setups, yes weak and insecure but 
still.
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Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-05 19:13 Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-05 19:50 ` Vasili Pupkin
2019-12-05 20:24   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-05 21:28     ` Vasili Pupkin
2019-12-06 15:18       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-06 17:21         ` Vasili Pupkin
2019-12-07 20:51         ` Lonnie Abelbeck
2019-12-06 12:58     ` William J. Tolley
2019-12-06 15:06     ` Jordan Glover
2019-12-06 15:08       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-06 16:03         ` Vasili Pupkin [this message]
2019-12-06 16:12           ` Jordan Glover
2019-12-06 17:06             ` Vasili Pupkin
2019-12-05 20:10 ` zrm

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