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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Cc: Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com>, workflows@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: thoughts on a Merge Request based development workflow
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:24:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190924202423.GA14425@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190924185312.GD6041@hmswarspite.think-freely.org>

Hi Neil,

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 02:53:12PM -0400, Neil Horman wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 02:37:28PM -0400, Drew DeVault wrote:
> > On Tue Sep 24, 2019 at 2:25 PM Neil Horman wrote:
> > > 	After hearing at LPC that that there was a group investigating moving
> > > some upstream development to a less email-centric workfow, I wanted to share
> > > this with the group:
> > > 
> > > https://gitlab.com/nhorman/git-lab-porcelain
> > > 
> > > Its still very rough, and is focused on working with RH based workflows
> > > currently, but it can pretty easily be adapted to generic projects, if theres
> > > interest, as well as to other services besides gitlab (github/etc).
> > > 
> > > The principle is pretty straightforward (at least currently), its a git
> > > porcelain that wraps up the notion of creating a merge request with sending
> > > patch emails.  It uses the gitlab rest api to fork projects, and manipulate MR's
> > > in sync with email patch posting.  It also contains an email listener daemon to
> > > monitor reqisite lists for ACK/NACK responses which can then be translated into
> > > MR metadata for true MR approvals/notifications to the maintainer that a branch
> > > is good to merge.
> > 
> > This is a great idea.
> > 
> > > Ostensibly, if this has any sort of legs, the idea in the long term is to add
> > > the ability to use the porcelain to do reviews on the command line, and
> > > eventually phase out email entirely, but I think thats a significant way off
> > > here.
> > 
> > Until this part. Phasing out email in favor of a centralized solution
> > like Gitlab would be a stark regression.
>
> Well, that by no rights has to happen (at least not in my mind).  I wouldn't
> have an issue with maintaining a mailing list in perpituity.  I only mean to say
> that if common practice becomes to us the git interface to preform reviews, and
> email usage becomes less needed, a given project could choose to phase it out.

My opinion on this is that if anyone wants to move towards a more
git-centric workflow, be it for review, pull/merge requests, or anything
else, we will have to figure out a way to make this decentralised and
not bound to a single server instance. Without interoperability between
servers and decentralisation, the result will be vendor lock-in, and
that's a no-go for a large part of the community.

How this could be achieved remains to be discussed, and should be an
interesting exercise.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-24 20:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-24 18:25 thoughts on a Merge Request based development workflow Neil Horman
2019-09-24 18:37 ` Drew DeVault
2019-09-24 18:53   ` Neil Horman
2019-09-24 20:24     ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2019-09-24 22:25       ` Neil Horman
2019-09-25 20:50         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-25 21:54           ` Neil Horman
2019-09-26  0:40           ` Neil Horman
2019-09-28 22:58             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-28 23:16               ` Dave Airlie
2019-09-28 23:52                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-01  3:22                 ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-01 21:14                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-09-29 11:57               ` Neil Horman
2019-09-29 12:55                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-09-30  1:00                   ` Neil Horman
2019-09-30  6:05                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-09-30 12:55                       ` Neil Horman
2019-09-30 13:20                         ` Nicolas Belouin
2019-09-30 13:40                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-09-30 21:02                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-09-30 14:51                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-09-30 15:15                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-30 16:09                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-30 20:56                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-08  1:00                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-09-26 10:23           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-26 13:43             ` Neil Horman
2019-10-07 15:33   ` David Miller
2019-10-07 15:35     ` Drew DeVault
2019-10-07 16:20       ` Neil Horman
2019-10-07 16:24         ` Drew DeVault
2019-10-07 18:43           ` David Miller
2019-10-07 19:24             ` Eric Wong
2019-10-07 15:47     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-07 18:40       ` David Miller
2019-10-07 18:45       ` David Miller
2019-10-07 19:21         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-07 21:49     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-07 23:00     ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-08  0:39       ` Eric Wong
2019-10-08  1:26         ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-08  2:11           ` Eric Wong
2019-10-08  3:24             ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-08  6:03               ` Eric Wong
2019-10-08 10:06                 ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-08 13:19                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-08 18:46                 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-08 21:36                   ` Eric Wong
2019-10-08  1:17       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-08 16:43         ` Don Zickus
2019-10-08 17:17           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-08 17:39             ` Don Zickus
2019-10-08 19:05               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-08 20:32                 ` Don Zickus
2019-10-08 21:35                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-09 21:50                     ` Laura Abbott
2019-10-10 12:48                       ` Neil Horman
2019-10-09 21:35                 ` Laura Abbott
2019-10-09 21:54                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-09 22:09                     ` Laura Abbott
2019-10-09 22:19                       ` Dave Airlie
2019-10-09 22:21                     ` Eric Wong
2019-10-09 23:56                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-10  0:07                         ` Eric Wong
2019-10-10  7:35                         ` Nicolas Belouin
2019-10-10 12:53                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-10 14:21                           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-11  7:12                             ` Nicolas Belouin
2019-10-11 13:56                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-14  7:31                                 ` Nicolas Belouin
2019-10-10 17:52                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-10 20:57                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-11 11:01                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-11 12:54                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-14 19:08                         ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-15  1:54                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-15 12:00                             ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-15 13:14                               ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-15 13:45                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-16 18:56                                   ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-16 19:08                                     ` Mark Brown
2019-10-17 10:22                                       ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-17 11:24                                         ` Mark Brown
2019-10-17 11:49                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-17 12:09                                       ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-17 12:53                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-15 16:07                           ` Greg KH
2019-10-15 16:35                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-15 18:58                             ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-15 19:33                               ` Greg KH
2019-10-15 20:03                                 ` Mark Brown
2019-10-15 19:50                               ` Mark Brown
2019-10-15 18:37                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-15 19:15                             ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-15 19:35                               ` Greg KH
2019-10-15 19:41                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-16 18:33                                 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-09  2:02           ` Daniel Axtens
2019-09-24 23:15 ` David Rientjes
2019-09-25  6:35   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-09-25 10:49   ` Neil Horman

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