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[192.0.228.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 194sm3154696qkm.62.2019.10.18.12.03.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:03:05 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: Eric Wong Cc: workflows@vger.kernel.org, meta@public-inbox.org Subject: Re: workflow problems and possible public-inbox solutions Message-ID: <20191018190305.GF25456@chatter.i7.local> References: <20191018032516.GB29290@dcvr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191018032516.GB29290@dcvr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Sender: workflows-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 03:25:16AM +0000, Eric Wong wrote: >It seems like there's a bunch of problems the workflows@vger >list is trying to solve. Some can be solved independently >of others. > >Here's a summary of them and where items in >https://public-inbox.org/TODO list can be possible solution >(I'm not claiming it can solve everything :P) Well, then you'd have to rename the project as "emacs". :) >1. vger deliverability problems to major mail providers > >(NNTP|public-inbox) => POP3 bridge, since all major providers >support importing mail from POP3. > > https://public-inbox.org/meta/20160411034104.GA7817@dcvr.yhbt.net/ > >Locally-run NNTP -> mail fetchers can also work, but requires >more effort to setup. There is also this: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dborkman/l2md.git/ With a bit more tweaking (see TODO), it can be made into a very nice generic interface tool -- in fact, I hope to use it at some point for feeding patches into patchwork instead of piping directly from postfix. >2. attestation of messages > >Self-publishing "Sent Mail" folders via NNTP or git, >(similar to Certificate Transparency): >https://lore.kernel.org/workflows/20191010192852.wl622ijvyy6i6tiu@chatter.i7.local/ > >This would provide redundancy, too; and it's probably more >usable and learnable than GPG :P Well, it still uses GPG, but it hides away the horrible parts. The easiest way to accomplish auto-signing is to create a dedicated ECC subkey and store it (and just it) in a dedicated dir used by the self-publishing tool. >4. secret exchanges for embargoed issues > >No idea, really; not my department :P > >It would be good if all messages in the exchange can be >published and mirrored once the embargo is lifted, though. There is ongoing separate effort to address this, using remail: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tglx/remail.git/ I haven't started implementing it yet, but my hope is to provide builtin archives that can be released once the embargo is lifted. -K