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From: Steven Rostedt <>
To: Evan Rudford <>
Cc: Greg KH <>,
Subject: Re: Is the Linux kernel underfunded? Lack of quality and security?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 13:13:22 -0500
Message-ID: <20201118131322.7bae7622@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:59:09 +0100
Evan Rudford <> wrote:

> This is perhaps hard to argue because the competition isn't good.
> To be honest, I feel that neither Linux nor any other "major" OS is
> reaching "high" security-standards.
> It is a fallacy to think that the security-situation is good just
> because nobody else is better.
> And of course, rewriting Linux is nearly impossible, but I doubt that
> Linux will ever become "truly secure" as long as everything is written
> in C.
> Let's face the reality: C is an excellent systems programming
> language, but it is like an "unprotected chainsaw" with respect to
> security.

I call "bull" on the above statement. This C isn't secure, is just a
blanket statement. Yes, C has issues, and so does assembly (which there's
plenty of that in the kernel). But with the amount of static analyzers and
fuzz testing going on, the typical C bugs that are in most projects are
well discovered in the Linux kernel.

> > Again, citation please?  I would argue that right now we have too many
> > people/resources working on security issues that are really really minor
> > in the overall scheme of things.
> > greg k-h  
> I agree that the current security-efforts might not be well-directed
> for the overall scheme of things.
> However, I don't think that security has "too many" people in total.
> It might be true that "minor" security-issues are eating too many
> resources, but there are still "non-minor" security issues that are
> not yet addressed.

Funny, I find that the biggest threat to security today is coming from the
hardware. Issues like spectre and meltdown, and everything to do with
parallel programming is going to be the new age of cracking the system. And
ironically, C and assembly are probably the best languages to counter it ;-)

-- Steve

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Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-05  3:49 Evan Rudford
2020-01-05  8:15 ` Greg KH
2020-11-18 17:59   ` Evan Rudford
2020-11-18 18:13     ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2020-11-18 19:30       ` Evan Rudford
2020-11-18 19:51         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-18 19:53         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o

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