From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC497C33C9E for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 19:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B402E24656 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 19:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=cmpwn.com header.i=@cmpwn.com header.b="hevBVe1e" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726523AbgANTQh (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:16:37 -0500 Received: from mail.cmpwn.com ([45.56.77.53]:58474 "EHLO mail.cmpwn.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726491AbgANTQh (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:16:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=cmpwn.com; s=cmpwn; t=1579029396; bh=ZO3sw8cHadrBPBvvXMlil26EG3ilmgoy5DmPrGeU8B8=; h=In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Subject:From:To; b=hevBVe1em+iJBhEmSVF6gnCl0i+6F5UYXyoT115QDr8Kb/rAn8mTqsT4imDhaf/gm aiLQA3nuZSHoZGkdnqxpmLuPF+55bvGLS7Gb9Gvke2QQi+YaWTjpfStxBiu+Q7EFxR og8wP+OqoDbqsQBjhRZ/xjL3i2ONchQqNTzIqF7o= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:14:16 -0500 Cc: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" , Subject: Re: matrix.org as a replacement for IRC? From: "Drew DeVault" To: Message-Id: Sender: workflows-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On Tue Jan 14, 2020 at 1:13 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > I'd never heard of matrix.org and don't have an opinion either way. I > do find IRC useful. Proxies make it much more useful, and if I have a > choice, I'd rather not pay $50/year to irccloud just for a permanent > presence. > > I'd be interested to hear the details of your NACK, because they'd > likely be informative and useful to me. $50/year is offset by one fewer cup of coffee per month. In any case, bouncers are not as necessary as they might seem. The idea of an infinite backlog encourages you to keep up with discussions you missed, which is a bad way of approaching IRC. Docs don't live in IRC, projects don't live in IRC, tickets don't live in IRC - any discussion that people shouldn't be fine with missing should be summarized and forwarded to a more appropriate medium. I use a bouncer mainly because IRC is such an important part of my life that it's helpful for organization, and it's nice for people to be able to drop me a quick note while I'm offline. Nice, but easily replaced with email for anyone without a bouncer.