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From: Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>
To: Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>
Cc: Elena Ufimtseva <elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: PV-vNUMA issue: topology is misinterpreted by the guest
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:44:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150717084411.GE12455@zion.uk.xensource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1437118075.23656.25.camel@citrix.com>

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 09:27:55AM +0200, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 07:09 +0100, Jan Beulich wrote:
> > >>> On 16.07.15 at 18:59, <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > And in general (both for PV and HVM) --- is there any reason to expose 
> > > CPU topology at all? I can see it being useful if VCPUs are pinned but 
> > > if they are not then it can make performance worse.
> > 
> > Indeed 
> >
> Indeed indeed. :-)
> 
> And in fact, this is even independent from vNUMA. Yet, I remember we
> were discussing about this since the beginning of vNUMA work, back when
> it was Elena doing it, but the it seems we all forgot... Sorry for
> that! :-/
> 
> I seriously think we should do something about this as, while in a non
> vNUMA setup it can certainly cause weird/inconsistent performance, in a
> vNUMA one, as shown, it's quite a hige mess.
> 
> > - that's what our kernels have been doing for years, and
> > it seems like someone over here is now looking into whether this
> > could be done in pv-ops too (without too much uglification).
> > 
> That would be great, IMO. I'd be up for helping with this, but I know
> next to nothing about CPUID, so that would require some setup time. If,
> at least, you could keep me in the loop it would be great.
> 
> In the meanwhile, what should we do? Document this? How? "don't use
> vNUMA with PV guest in SMT enabled systems" seems a bit harsh... Is
> there a workaround we can put in place/suggest?
> 

Don't worry. PV vNUMA kernel patch is not upstreamed. :-P

This is one of the issues that is not upstreamed. The other issue is my
own laziness...

Wei.

> Regards,
> Dario
> -- 
> <<This happens because I choose it to happen!>> (Raistlin Majere)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Dario Faggioli, Ph.D, http://about.me/dario.faggioli
> Senior Software Engineer, Citrix Systems R&D Ltd., Cambridge (UK)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-17  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-16 10:32 PV-vNUMA issue: topology is misinterpreted by the guest Dario Faggioli
2015-07-16 10:47 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-16 10:56   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:25     ` Wei Liu
2015-07-16 15:45       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:50         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-16 16:29           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-16 16:39             ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 16:59               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-17  6:09                 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-17  7:27                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17  7:42                     ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-17  8:44                     ` Wei Liu [this message]
2015-07-17 18:17                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-20 14:09                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-20 14:43                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-21 20:00                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 13:36                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 13:50                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-22 13:58                                 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 14:09                                   ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-22 14:44                                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23  4:43                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-23  7:28                                         ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-23  9:42                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-23 14:07                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-23 14:13                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 10:28                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 14:44                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 15:14                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 15:24                                                 ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 15:58                                                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:09                                                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-24 16:14                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:18                                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:29                                                         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-24 16:39                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:44                                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27  4:35                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 10:43                                                                 ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 10:54                                                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 11:13                                                                     ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 10:54                                                                   ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 11:11                                                                     ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 12:01                                                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 12:16                                                                         ` Tim Deegan
2015-07-27 13:23                                                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 14:02                                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:02                                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 10:41                                                       ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 10:49                                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 13:11                                                           ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:10                                                     ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:40                                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-24 16:48                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 17:11                                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 13:40                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27  4:24                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:09                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 14:34                                                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 14:43                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:51                                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 15:03                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:47                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:58                                                           ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28  4:29                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28 15:11                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28 16:17                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28 17:13                                                               ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-29  6:04                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-29  7:09                                                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-29  7:44                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:05                                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28 10:05                                                   ` Wei Liu
2015-07-28 15:17                                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 20:27                                               ` Elena Ufimtseva
2015-07-22 14:50                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 15:32                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 15:49                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 18:10                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23  7:25                                             ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-24 16:03                                               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23 13:46                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17 10:17                 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:26 ` Wei Liu
2015-07-27 15:13 ` David Vrabel
2015-07-27 16:02   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 16:31     ` David Vrabel
2015-07-27 16:33       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 17:42         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 17:50           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-27 23:19           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  3:52             ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28  9:40               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  9:28             ` Dario Faggioli

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