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From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Sergey Dyasli <sergey.dyasli@citrix.com>
Cc: "Ashok Raj" <ashok.raj@intel.com>, "Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 15/15] microcode: block #NMI handling when loading an ucode
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:07:59 +0800
Message-ID: <20190826080759.GB11910@gao-cwp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3b455c41-b5a3-2533-99a8-2200def4b19f@citrix.com>

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 09:46:37AM +0100, Sergey Dyasli wrote:
>On 19/08/2019 02:25, Chao Gao wrote:
>> register an nmi callback. And this callback does busy-loop on threads
>> which are waiting for loading completion. Control threads send NMI to
>> slave threads to prevent NMI acceptance during ucode loading.
>> 
>> Signed-off-by: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
>> ---
>> Changes in v9:
>>  - control threads send NMI to all other threads. Slave threads will
>>  stay in the NMI handling to prevent NMI acceptance during ucode
>>  loading. Note that self-nmi is invalid according to SDM.
>
>To me this looks like a half-measure: why keep only slave threads in
>the NMI handler, when master threads can update the microcode from
>inside the NMI handler as well?

No special reason. Because the issue we want to address is that slave
threads might go to handle NMI and access MSRs when master thread is
loading ucode. So we only keep slave threads in the NMI handler.

>
>You mention that self-nmi is invalid, but Xen has self_nmi() which is
>used for apply_alternatives() during boot, so can be trusted to work.

Sorry, I meant using self shorthand to send self-nmi. I tried to use
self shorthand but got APIC error. And I agree that it is better to
make slave thread call self_nmi() itself.

>
>I experimented a bit with the following approach: after loading_state
>becomes LOADING_CALLIN, each cpu issues a self_nmi() and rendezvous
>via cpu_callin_map into LOADING_ENTER to do a ucode update directly in
>the NMI handler. And it seems to work.
>
>Separate question is about the safety of this approach: can we be sure
>that a ucode update would not reset the status of the NMI latch? I.e.
>can it cause another NMI to be delivered while Xen already handles one?

Ashok, what's your opinion on Sergey's approach and his concern?

Thanks
Chao

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Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-19  1:25 [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 00/15] improve late microcode loading Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 01/15] microcode/intel: extend microcode_update_match() Chao Gao
2019-08-28 15:12   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-29  7:15     ` Chao Gao
2019-08-29  7:14       ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 02/15] microcode/amd: fix memory leak Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 03/15] microcode/amd: distinguish old and mismatched ucode in microcode_fits() Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 04/15] microcode: introduce a global cache of ucode patch Chao Gao
2019-08-22 11:11   ` Roger Pau Monné
2019-08-28 15:21   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-29 10:18   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 05/15] microcode: clean up microcode_resume_cpu Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 06/15] microcode: remove struct ucode_cpu_info Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 07/15] microcode: remove pointless 'cpu' parameter Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 08/15] microcode/amd: call svm_host_osvw_init() in common code Chao Gao
2019-08-22 13:08   ` Roger Pau Monné
2019-08-28 15:26   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 09/15] microcode: pass a patch pointer to apply_microcode() Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 10/15] microcode: split out apply_microcode() from cpu_request_microcode() Chao Gao
2019-08-22 13:59   ` Roger Pau Monné
2019-08-29 10:06     ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-30  3:22       ` Chao Gao
2019-08-30  7:25         ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-29 10:19   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 11/15] microcode: unify loading update during CPU resuming and AP wakeup Chao Gao
2019-08-22 14:10   ` Roger Pau Monné
2019-08-22 16:44     ` Chao Gao
2019-08-23  9:09       ` Roger Pau Monné
2019-08-29  7:37         ` Chao Gao
2019-08-29  8:16           ` Roger Pau Monné
2019-08-29 10:26           ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-29 10:29   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 12/15] microcode: reduce memory allocation and copy when creating a patch Chao Gao
2019-08-23  8:11   ` Roger Pau Monné
2019-08-26  7:03     ` Chao Gao
2019-08-26  8:11       ` Roger Pau Monné
2019-08-29 10:47   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 13/15] x86/microcode: Synchronize late microcode loading Chao Gao
2019-08-19 10:27   ` Sergey Dyasli
2019-08-19 14:49     ` Chao Gao
2019-08-29 12:06   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-30  3:30     ` Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 14/15] microcode: remove microcode_update_lock Chao Gao
2019-08-19  1:25 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 15/15] microcode: block #NMI handling when loading an ucode Chao Gao
2019-08-23  8:46   ` Sergey Dyasli
2019-08-26  8:07     ` Chao Gao [this message]
2019-08-27  4:52       ` Chao Gao
2019-08-28  8:52         ` Sergey Dyasli
2019-08-29 12:11         ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-30  6:35           ` Chao Gao
2019-09-09  5:52             ` Chao Gao
2019-09-09  6:16               ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-29 12:22   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-30  6:33     ` Chao Gao
2019-08-30  7:30       ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-22  7:51 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH v9 00/15] improve late microcode loading Sergey Dyasli
2019-08-22 15:39   ` Chao Gao

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