From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ED3C43465 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.xenproject.org (lists.xenproject.org [192.237.175.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFB3B23600 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:31:27 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org EFB3B23600 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux.alibaba.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=xen-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xenproject.org) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJ6B9-0007YD-F6; Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:31:15 +0000 Received: from all-amaz-eas1.inumbo.com ([34.197.232.57] helo=us1-amaz-eas2.inumbo.com) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJ6B8-0007Y2-Kc for xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:31:14 +0000 X-Inumbo-ID: 54b688b5-f0c9-4411-b6af-cdc7f7c291ab Received: from out30-42.freemail.mail.aliyun.com (unknown [115.124.30.42]) by us1-amaz-eas2.inumbo.com (Halon) with ESMTPS id 54b688b5-f0c9-4411-b6af-cdc7f7c291ab; Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:30:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=PASS; BC=-1|-1; BR=01201311R191e4; CH=green; DM=||false|; DS=||; FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e01e04394; MF=richard.weiyang@linux.alibaba.com; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=21; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---0U9GuiaC_1600396252; Received: from localhost(mailfrom:richard.weiyang@linux.alibaba.com fp:SMTPD_---0U9GuiaC_1600396252) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(127.0.0.1); Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:30:52 +0800 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:30:51 +0800 From: Wei Yang To: David Hildenbrand Cc: osalvador@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , Alexander Duyck , Dave Hansen , Haiyang Zhang , "K. Y. Srinivasan" , Mel Gorman , Michael Ellerman , Michal Hocko , Mike Rapoport , Scott Cheloha , Stephen Hemminger , Vlastimil Babka , Wei Liu , Wei Yang Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] mm: place pages to the freelist tail when onling and undoing isolation Message-ID: <20200918023051.GE54754@L-31X9LVDL-1304.local> References: <5c0910c2cd0d9d351e509392a45552fb@suse.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen developer discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Wei Yang Errors-To: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "Xen-devel" On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 09:31:21PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote: > > >> Am 16.09.2020 um 20:50 schrieb osalvador@suse.de: >> >> On 2020-09-16 20:34, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>> When adding separate memory blocks via add_memory*() and onlining them >>> immediately, the metadata (especially the memmap) of the next block will be >>> placed onto one of the just added+onlined block. This creates a chain >>> of unmovable allocations: If the last memory block cannot get >>> offlined+removed() so will all dependant ones. We directly have unmovable >>> allocations all over the place. >>> This can be observed quite easily using virtio-mem, however, it can also >>> be observed when using DIMMs. The freshly onlined pages will usually be >>> placed to the head of the freelists, meaning they will be allocated next, >>> turning the just-added memory usually immediately un-removable. The >>> fresh pages are cold, prefering to allocate others (that might be hot) >>> also feels to be the natural thing to do. >>> It also applies to the hyper-v balloon xen-balloon, and ppc64 dlpar: when >>> adding separate, successive memory blocks, each memory block will have >>> unmovable allocations on them - for example gigantic pages will fail to >>> allocate. >>> While the ZONE_NORMAL doesn't provide any guarantees that memory can get >>> offlined+removed again (any kind of fragmentation with unmovable >>> allocations is possible), there are many scenarios (hotplugging a lot of >>> memory, running workload, hotunplug some memory/as much as possible) where >>> we can offline+remove quite a lot with this patchset. >> >> Hi David, >> > >Hi Oscar. > >> I did not read through the patchset yet, so sorry if the question is nonsense, but is this not trying to fix the same issue the vmemmap patches did? [1] > >Not nonesense at all. It only helps to some degree, though. It solves the dependencies due to the memmap. However, it‘s not completely ideal, especially for single memory blocks. > >With single memory blocks (virtio-mem, xen-balloon, hv balloon, ppc dlpar) you still have unmovable (vmemmap chunks) all over the physical address space. Consider the gigantic page example after hotplug. You directly fragmented all hotplugged memory. > >Of course, there might be (less extreme) dependencies due page tables for the identity mapping, extended struct pages and similar. > >Having that said, there are other benefits when preferring other memory over just hotplugged memory. Think about adding+onlining memory during boot (dimms under QEMU, virtio-mem), once the system is up you will have most (all) of that memory completely untouched. > >So while vmemmap on hotplugged memory would tackle some part of the issue, there are cases where this approach is better, and there are even benefits when combining both. While everything changes with shuffle. > >Thanks! > >David > >> >> I was about to give it a new respin now that thw hwpoison stuff has been settled. >> >> [1] https://patchwork.kernel.org/cover/11059175/ >> -- Wei Yang Help you, Help me