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From: Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@citrix.com>
To: Jason Andryuk <jandryuk@gmail.com>
Cc: "Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Julien Grall" <julien@xen.org>, "Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"George Dunlap" <George.Dunlap@citrix.com>,
	"Marek Marczykowski-Górecki" <marmarek@invisiblethingslab.com>,
	"Simon Gaiser" <simon@invisiblethingslab.com>,
	"Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	"Samuel Thibault" <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>,
	"Anthony Perard" <anthony.perard@citrix.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	"Eric Shelton" <eshelton@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] Add support for qemu-xen runnning in a Linux-based stubdomain
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 17:07:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <24253.27824.82649.907746@mariner.uk.xensource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200428040433.23504-1-jandryuk@gmail.com>

Jason Andryuk writes ("[PATCH v5 00/21] Add support for qemu-xen runnning in a Linux-based stubdomain"):
> In coordination with Marek, I'm making a submission of his patches for Linux
> stubdomain device-model support.  I made a few of my own additions, but Marek
> did the heavy lifting.  Thank you, Marek.

Hi.  Thanks very much for this contribution.  Sorry it has taken me so
long to get to review it.

> Later patches add QMP over libvchan connection support. The actual connection
> is made in a separate process. As discussed on Xen Summit 2019, this allows to
> apply some basic checks and/or filtering (not part of this series), to limit
> libxl exposure for potentially malicious stubdomain.

OK.

> Few comments/questions about the stubdomain code:
> 
> 1. There are extra patches for qemu that are necessary to run it in stubdomain.
> While it is desirable to upstream them, I think it can be done after merging
> libxl part. Stubdomain's qemu build will in most cases be separate anyway, to
> limit qemu's dependencies (so the stubdomain size).

Yes.

> 2. By default Linux hvc-xen console frontend is unreliable for data transfer
> (qemu state save/restore) - it drops data sent faster than client is reading
> it. To fix it, console device needs to be switched into raw mode (`stty raw
> /dev/hvc1`). Especially for restoring qemu state it is tricky, as it would need
> to be done before opening the device, but stty (obviously) needs to open the
> device first. To solve this problem, for now the repository contains kernel
> patch which changes the default for all hvc consoles. Again, this isn't
> practical problem, as the kernel for stubdomain is built separately. But it
> would be nice to have something working with vanilla kernel. I see those
> options:
>   - convert it to kernel cmdline parameter (hvc_console_raw=1 ?)
>   - use channels instead of consoles (and on the kernel side change the default
>     to "raw" only for channels); while in theory better design, libxl part will
>     be more complex, as channels can be connected to sockets but not files, so
>     libxl would need to read/write to it exactly when qemu write/read the data,
>     not before/after as it is done now

What a mess.  Thanks for trying to tackle it!

Would it be possible to add a rendenzvous to the console ?  Eg, the
guest could write a "ready" byte after it has set the mode.

I'm not sure I understand the problem with libxl and channels.  Maybe
a helper process (perhaps existing only during migration) could help ?

Or, libxl has the "datacopier" async thing in it which you can spawn
one of and hopefully forget about.  You could teach it channels, or
make a thing like it that uses channels, or something.

> 3. Mini-OS stubdoms use dmargs xenstore key as a string.  Linux stubdoms use
> dmargs as a directory for numbered entries.  Should they be different names?

Yes, I think so.  That way if there's a version mismatch you get
ENOENT rather than an empty argument list...


I'll go and look at the patches now.

Regards,
Ian.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-14 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-28  4:04 [PATCH v5 00/21] Add support for qemu-xen runnning in a Linux-based stubdomain Jason Andryuk
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 01/21] Document ioemu MiniOS stubdomain protocol Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:08   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 02/21] Document ioemu Linux " Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:08   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 03/21] libxl: fix qemu-trad cmdline for no sdl/vnc case Jason Andryuk
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 04/21] libxl: Allow running qemu-xen in stubdomain Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:10   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 05/21] libxl: Handle Linux stubdomain specific QEMU options Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:19   ` Ian Jackson
2020-05-17 13:55     ` Jason Andryuk
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 06/21] libxl: write qemu arguments into separate xenstore keys Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:25   ` Ian Jackson
2020-05-17 14:29     ` Jason Andryuk
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 07/21] xl: add stubdomain related options to xl config parser Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:26   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 08/21] tools/libvchan: notify server when client is connected Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:27   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 09/21] libxl: add save/restore support for qemu-xen in stubdomain Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:35   ` Ian Jackson
2020-05-17 13:55     ` Jason Andryuk
2020-05-18 14:15       ` Ian Jackson
2020-05-18 14:50         ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2020-05-18 15:18           ` [PATCH v5 09/21] libxl: add save/restore support for qemu-xen in stubdomain [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson
2020-05-18 15:48             ` Jason Andryuk
2020-05-18 16:37               ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 10/21] tools: add missing libxenvchan cflags Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:35   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 11/21] tools: add simple vchan-socket-proxy Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:37   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 12/21] libxl: use vchan for QMP access with Linux stubdomain Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:39   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 13/21] Regenerate autotools files Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:41   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 14/21] libxl: require qemu in dom0 even if stubdomain is in use Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:42   ` Ian Jackson
2020-05-14 17:36     ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 15/21] libxl: ignore emulated IDE disks beyond the first 4 Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:43   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 16/21] libxl: consider also qemu in stubdomain in libxl__dm_active check Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:43   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 17/21] docs: Add device-model-domid to xenstore-paths Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:44   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 18/21] libxl: Check stubdomain kernel & ramdisk presence Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:45   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 19/21] libxl: Refactor kill_device_model to libxl__kill_xs_path Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:45   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 20/21] libxl: Kill vchan-socket-proxy when cleaning up qmp Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:47   ` Ian Jackson
2020-04-28  4:04 ` [PATCH v5 21/21] tools: Clean up vchan-socket-proxy socket Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:48   ` Ian Jackson
2020-05-11 20:19 ` [PATCH v5 00/21] Add support for qemu-xen runnning in a Linux-based stubdomain Jason Andryuk
2020-05-14 16:07 ` Ian Jackson [this message]
2020-05-14 16:55 ` Ian Jackson
2020-05-14 19:10   ` Jason Andryuk

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