From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>, Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
"George Dunlap" <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
"Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>, "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>,
"Ian Jackson" <iwj@xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2][4.15?] x86/shadow: suppress "fast fault path" optimization when running virtualized
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 13:47:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <96c83adb-9e81-8398-c905-f4f0730ba240@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YEXtnkYzNSXasTw1@deinos.phlegethon.org>
On 08/03/2021 09:25, Tim Deegan wrote:
> At 16:37 +0100 on 05 Mar (1614962224), Jan Beulich wrote:
>> We can't make correctness of our own behavior dependent upon a
>> hypervisor underneath us correctly telling us the true physical address
>> with hardware uses. Without knowing this, we can't be certain reserved
>> bit faults can actually be observed. Therefore, besides evaluating the
>> number of address bits when deciding whether to use the optimization,
>> also check whether we're running virtualized ourselves.
>>
>> Requested-by: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
>> Signed-off-by: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
> Acked-by: Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
>
> I would consider this to be a bug in the underlying hypervisor, but I
> agree than in practice it won't be safe to rely on it being correct.
I'd argue against this being a hypervisor bug. If anything, it is a
weakness in how x86 virtualisation works.
For booting on a single host, then yes - vMAXPHYSADDR really ought to be
the same as MAXPHYSADDR, and is what happens in the common case.
For booting in a heterogeneous pool, the only safe value is the min of
MAXPHYSADDR across the resource pool. Anything higher, and the VM will
malfunction (get #PF[rsvd] for apparently-legal PTEs) on the smallest
pool member(s).
Address widths vary greatly between generations and SKUs, so blocking
migrate on a MAXPHYSADDR mismatch isn't a viable option. VM migration
works in practice because native kernels don't tend to use reserved bit
optimisations in the first place.
The fault lies with Xen. We're using a property of reserved bit
behaviour which was always going to change eventually, and can't be
levelled in common heterogeneous scenarios.
~Andrew
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-08 13:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-05 15:36 [PATCH 0/2][4.15?] x86/shadow: further refinements to "fast fault path" suppression Jan Beulich
2021-03-05 15:37 ` [PATCH 1/2][4.15?] x86/shadow: suppress "fast fault path" optimization when running virtualized Jan Beulich
2021-03-05 15:47 ` Andrew Cooper
2021-03-05 16:32 ` Jan Beulich
2021-03-05 16:40 ` Ian Jackson
2021-03-05 16:47 ` Andrew Cooper
2021-03-05 16:58 ` Ian Jackson
2021-03-08 9:25 ` Tim Deegan
2021-03-08 9:40 ` Jan Beulich
2021-03-08 13:47 ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2021-03-08 13:51 ` Jan Beulich
2021-03-08 13:59 ` Andrew Cooper
2021-03-08 14:29 ` Jan Beulich
2021-03-08 14:47 ` Andrew Cooper
2021-03-05 15:37 ` [PATCH 2/2][4.15?] x86/shadow: encode full GFN in magic MMIO entries Jan Beulich
2021-03-05 16:32 ` Andrew Cooper
2021-03-08 12:42 ` Jan Beulich
2021-03-08 9:39 ` Tim Deegan
2021-03-08 12:05 ` Jan Beulich
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