From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB3CC433E0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.xenproject.org (lists.xenproject.org [192.237.175.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A735E20780 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="s4JTo+sH" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org A735E20780 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=kernel.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=xen-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xenproject.org) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jqgdN-00005x-Ge; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:34:57 +0000 Received: from all-amaz-eas1.inumbo.com ([34.197.232.57] helo=us1-amaz-eas2.inumbo.com) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jqgdM-00005s-8c for xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:34:56 +0000 X-Inumbo-ID: 2d5a53fc-bbc1-11ea-874c-12813bfff9fa Received: from mail.kernel.org (unknown [198.145.29.99]) by us1-amaz-eas2.inumbo.com (Halon) with ESMTPS id 2d5a53fc-bbc1-11ea-874c-12813bfff9fa; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (c-67-164-102-47.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.164.102.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5CDCB20781; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:34:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1593624894; bh=7gRGt637RJr7xqh8m9IFhKHH4colOY8f4NtES4RwwhY=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=s4JTo+sHZ5kueHTuTEAo2QGy2uhqmeAHdidNDEG2j3pV3VxRg5Xv6wKav2TR+6t4b XUiS73u1pvO97HpBjUcfEuJ+XpBhQ0M0mFiLtwwqKmYcxdiCP4RGhschpBHp6VSQJP m93SVv9K90jHvPW8nUrDpWPn4XcEaTHFUj4sKDZM= Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@sstabellini-ThinkPad-T480s To: Christoph Hellwig Subject: Re: [PATCH] xen: introduce xen_vring_use_dma In-Reply-To: <20200701133456.GA23888@infradead.org> Message-ID: References: <20200624091732.23944-1-peng.fan@nxp.com> <20200624050355-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20200624163940-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20200624181026-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20200626110629-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20200701133456.GA23888@infradead.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (DEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen developer discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: jgross@suse.com, Peng Fan , Stefano Stabellini , konrad.wilk@oracle.com, jasowang@redhat.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" , linux-imx@nxp.com, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org Errors-To: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "Xen-devel" On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 04:46:09PM -0700, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > I could imagine some future Xen hosts setting a flag somewhere in the > > > platform capability saying "no xen specific flag, rely on > > > "VIRTIO_F_ACCESS_PLATFORM". Then you set that accordingly in QEMU. > > > How about that? > > > > Yes, that would be fine and there is no problem implementing something > > like that when we get virtio support in Xen. Today there are still no > > virtio interfaces provided by Xen to ARM guests (no virtio-block/net, > > etc.) > > > > In fact, in both cases we are discussing virtio is *not* provided by > > Xen; it is a firmware interface to something entirely different: > > > > 1) virtio is used to talk to a remote AMP processor (RPMesg) > > 2) virtio is used to talk to a secure-world firmware/OS (Trusty) > > > > VIRTIO_F_ACCESS_PLATFORM is not set by Xen in these cases but by RPMesg > > and by Trusty respectively. I don't know if Trusty should or should not > > set VIRTIO_F_ACCESS_PLATFORM, but I think Linux should still work > > without issues. > > > > Any virtio implementation that is not in control of the memory map > (aka not the hypervisor) absolutely must set VIRTIO_F_ACCESS_PLATFORM, > else it is completely broken. Lots of broken virtio implementations out there it would seem :-( > > The xen_domain() check in Linux makes it so that vring_use_dma_api > > returns the opposite value on native Linux compared to Linux as Xen/ARM > > DomU by "accident". By "accident" because there is no architectural > > reason why Linux Xen/ARM DomU should behave differently compared to > > native Linux in this regard. > > > > I hope that now it is clearer why I think the if (xen_domain()) check > > needs to be improved anyway, even if we fix generic dma_ops with virtio > > interfaces missing VIRTIO_F_ACCESS_PLATFORM. > > IMHO that Xen quirk should never have been added in this form.. Would you be in favor of a more flexible check along the lines of the one proposed in the patch that started this thread: if (xen_vring_use_dma()) return true; xen_vring_use_dma would be implemented so that it returns true when xen_swiotlb is required and false otherwise.