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* [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
@ 2019-08-07 11:20 Eslam Elnikety
  2019-08-07 11:40 ` Andrew Cooper
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Eslam Elnikety @ 2019-08-07 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: xen-devel
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Eslam Elnikety,
	Tim Deegan, Julien Grall, Jan Beulich, Anthony PERARD,
	David Woodhouse

Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
(see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
FIFO vs 2L).

In order to announce to guests that the event channel ABI does not support
FIFO, the hypervisor returns ENOSYS on init_control operation. When this
operation fails, the guest should continue to use the 2L event channel ABI.
For example, in Linux drivers/xen/events/events_base.c:

    if (fifo_events)
        ret = xen_evtchn_fifo_init();
    if (ret < 0)
        xen_evtchn_2l_init();

and xen_evtchn_fifo_init fails when EVTCHNOP_init_control fails. This commit
does not change the current default behaviour: announce FIFO event channels
ABI support for guests unless explicitly stated otherwise at domaincreate.

Signed-off-by: Eslam Elnikety <elnikety@amazon.com>
---
 docs/man/xl.cfg.5.pod.in    | 5 +++++
 tools/libxl/libxl.h         | 8 ++++++++
 tools/libxl/libxl_create.c  | 5 +++++
 tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl | 1 +
 tools/xl/xl_parse.c         | 2 ++
 tools/xl/xl_sxp.c           | 2 ++
 xen/common/domain.c         | 3 +++
 xen/common/event_channel.c  | 5 +++++
 xen/include/public/domctl.h | 3 +++
 xen/include/xen/sched.h     | 1 +
 10 files changed, 35 insertions(+)

diff --git a/docs/man/xl.cfg.5.pod.in b/docs/man/xl.cfg.5.pod.in
index c99d40307e..f204d8b4f0 100644
--- a/docs/man/xl.cfg.5.pod.in
+++ b/docs/man/xl.cfg.5.pod.in
@@ -1262,6 +1262,11 @@ FIFO-based event channel ABI support up to 131,071 event channels.
 Other guests are limited to 4095 (64-bit x86 and ARM) or 1023 (32-bit
 x86).
 
+=item B<disable_evtchn_fifo=BOOLEAN>
+
+Indicates if support for FIFO event channel ABI is disabled. The default
+is false (0).
+
 =item B<vdispl=[ "VDISPL_SPEC_STRING", "VDISPL_SPEC_STRING", ...]>
 
 Specifies the virtual display devices to be provided to the guest.
diff --git a/tools/libxl/libxl.h b/tools/libxl/libxl.h
index 9bacfb97f0..75b2ee3d1b 100644
--- a/tools/libxl/libxl.h
+++ b/tools/libxl/libxl.h
@@ -169,6 +169,14 @@
  */
 #define LIBXL_HAVE_BUILDINFO_EVENT_CHANNELS 1
 
+/*
+ * LIBXL_HAVE_BUILDINFO_DISABLE_EVTCHN_FIFO indicates that the
+ * libxl_domain_build_info structure contains a boolean
+ * disable_evtchn_fifo which instructs libxl to enable/disable
+ * support for FIFO event channel ABI at create time.
+ */
+#define LIBXL_HAVE_BUILDINFO_DISABLE_EVTCHN_FIFO 1
+
 /*
  * libxl_domain_build_info has the u.hvm.ms_vm_genid field.
  */
diff --git a/tools/libxl/libxl_create.c b/tools/libxl/libxl_create.c
index 03ce166f4f..aa87e45643 100644
--- a/tools/libxl/libxl_create.c
+++ b/tools/libxl/libxl_create.c
@@ -217,6 +217,8 @@ int libxl__domain_build_info_setdefault(libxl__gc *gc,
     if (!b_info->event_channels)
         b_info->event_channels = 1023;
 
+    libxl_defbool_setdefault(&b_info->disable_evtchn_fifo, false);
+
     libxl__arch_domain_build_info_setdefault(gc, b_info);
     libxl_defbool_setdefault(&b_info->dm_restrict, false);
 
@@ -564,6 +566,9 @@ int libxl__domain_make(libxl__gc *gc, libxl_domain_config *d_config,
                 libxl_defbool_val(info->oos) ? 0 : XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_oos_off;
         }
 
+        if (libxl_defbool_val(b_info->disable_evtchn_fifo))
+            create.flags |= XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo;
+
         /* Ultimately, handle is an array of 16 uint8_t, same as uuid */
         libxl_uuid_copy(ctx, (libxl_uuid *)&create.handle, &info->uuid);
 
diff --git a/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl b/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl
index b61399ce36..5f30570443 100644
--- a/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl
+++ b/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl
@@ -521,6 +521,7 @@ libxl_domain_build_info = Struct("domain_build_info",[
     ("iomem",            Array(libxl_iomem_range, "num_iomem")),
     ("claim_mode",	     libxl_defbool),
     ("event_channels",   uint32),
+    ("disable_evtchn_fifo", libxl_defbool),
     ("kernel",           string),
     ("cmdline",          string),
     ("ramdisk",          string),
diff --git a/tools/xl/xl_parse.c b/tools/xl/xl_parse.c
index e105bda2bb..bcf16c31d4 100644
--- a/tools/xl/xl_parse.c
+++ b/tools/xl/xl_parse.c
@@ -1496,6 +1496,8 @@ void parse_config_data(const char *config_source,
     if (!xlu_cfg_get_long(config, "max_event_channels", &l, 0))
         b_info->event_channels = l;
 
+    xlu_cfg_get_defbool(config, "disable_evtchn_fifo",
+                        &b_info->disable_evtchn_fifo, 0);
     xlu_cfg_replace_string (config, "kernel", &b_info->kernel, 0);
     xlu_cfg_replace_string (config, "ramdisk", &b_info->ramdisk, 0);
     xlu_cfg_replace_string (config, "device_tree", &b_info->device_tree, 0);
diff --git a/tools/xl/xl_sxp.c b/tools/xl/xl_sxp.c
index 359a001570..52e98c6c61 100644
--- a/tools/xl/xl_sxp.c
+++ b/tools/xl/xl_sxp.c
@@ -71,6 +71,8 @@ void printf_info_sexp(int domid, libxl_domain_config *d_config, FILE *fh)
     fprintf(fh, "\t(target_memkb %"PRId64")\n", b_info->target_memkb);
     fprintf(fh, "\t(nomigrate %s)\n",
            libxl_defbool_to_string(b_info->disable_migrate));
+    fprintf(fh, "\t(disable_evtchn_fifo %s)\n",
+           libxl_defbool_to_string(b_info->disable_evtchn_fifo));
 
     if (c_info->type == LIBXL_DOMAIN_TYPE_PV && b_info->bootloader) {
         fprintf(fh, "\t(bootloader %s)\n", b_info->bootloader);
diff --git a/xen/common/domain.c b/xen/common/domain.c
index 744b572195..d54674e28c 100644
--- a/xen/common/domain.c
+++ b/xen/common/domain.c
@@ -444,6 +444,9 @@ struct domain *domain_create(domid_t domid,
         d->controller_pause_count = 1;
         atomic_inc(&d->pause_count);
 
+        if ( d->options & XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo )
+            d->disable_evtchn_fifo = 1;
+
         if ( (err = evtchn_init(d, config->max_evtchn_port)) != 0 )
             goto fail;
         init_status |= INIT_evtchn;
diff --git a/xen/common/event_channel.c b/xen/common/event_channel.c
index e86e2bfab0..ce3dbb90ab 100644
--- a/xen/common/event_channel.c
+++ b/xen/common/event_channel.c
@@ -1170,6 +1170,11 @@ long do_event_channel_op(int cmd, XEN_GUEST_HANDLE_PARAM(void) arg)
 
     case EVTCHNOP_init_control: {
         struct evtchn_init_control init_control;
+
+        /* Fail init_control for domains that must use 2l ABI */
+        if ( current->domain->disable_evtchn_fifo )
+            return -ENOSYS;
+
         if ( copy_from_guest(&init_control, arg, 1) != 0 )
             return -EFAULT;
         rc = evtchn_fifo_init_control(&init_control);
diff --git a/xen/include/public/domctl.h b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
index 19486d5e32..654b4fdd22 100644
--- a/xen/include/public/domctl.h
+++ b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
@@ -64,6 +64,9 @@ struct xen_domctl_createdomain {
  /* Is this a xenstore domain? */
 #define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain     4
 #define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain      (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain)
+ /* Disable FIFO event channels? */
+#define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo  5
+#define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo   (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo)
     uint32_t flags;
 
     /*
diff --git a/xen/include/xen/sched.h b/xen/include/xen/sched.h
index 2e6e0d3488..fcdd802665 100644
--- a/xen/include/xen/sched.h
+++ b/xen/include/xen/sched.h
@@ -338,6 +338,7 @@ struct domain
     struct evtchn  **evtchn_group[NR_EVTCHN_GROUPS]; /* all other buckets */
     unsigned int     max_evtchns;     /* number supported by ABI */
     unsigned int     max_evtchn_port; /* max permitted port number */
+    bool             disable_evtchn_fifo;            /* force 2l ABI */
     unsigned int     valid_evtchns;   /* number of allocated event channels */
     spinlock_t       event_lock;
     const struct evtchn_port_ops *evtchn_port_ops;
-- 
2.15.3.AMZN


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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 11:20 [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable Eslam Elnikety
@ 2019-08-07 11:40 ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 12:04   ` Woodhouse, David
  2019-08-07 12:07   ` Elnikety, Eslam
  2019-08-07 13:41 ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 14:35 ` Jan Beulich
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cooper @ 2019-08-07 11:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eslam Elnikety, xen-devel
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Julien Grall,
	Jan Beulich, Anthony PERARD, David Woodhouse

On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
> Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
> (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
> event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
> pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
> ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
> and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
> FIFO vs 2L).

I'm afraid I don't follow.

We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.

It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.

What is the problem?

When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
because that is what it was using previously.

~Andrew

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 11:40 ` Andrew Cooper
@ 2019-08-07 12:04   ` Woodhouse, David
  2019-08-07 12:18     ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-07 12:24     ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 12:07   ` Elnikety, Eslam
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Woodhouse, David @ 2019-08-07 12:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Elnikety, Eslam, andrew.cooper3, xen-devel
  Cc: sstabellini, wl, konrad.wilk, George.Dunlap, tim, ian.jackson,
	julien.grall, jbeulich, anthony.perard

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On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 12:40 +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
> > Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
> > (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
> > event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
> > pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
> > ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
> > and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
> > FIFO vs 2L).
> 
> I'm afraid I don't follow.
> 
> We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
> Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.
> 
> It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
> has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.
> 
> What is the problem?
> 
> When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
> because that is what it was using previously.

On resume, the guest first boots a Linux kernel (the 'boot' kernel).
That kernel then loads the previous state (the 'resumed' kernel) from
disk and then transfers control to it.

I believe the problem occurs when the boot kernel sees and enables FIFO
mode, then transfers control to the resumed kernel which is expecting
2L.

I wonder if treating it more like a kexec and doing SHUTDOWN_soft_reset
in the handover might be a viable long-term approach (and deal with
other KASLR-related problems). Not that soft reset currently resets
this AFAICT at a quick glance, but maybe it should? In the meantime
though, hiding 2L mode for guests which were first booted without it is
a simple option which doesn't force guests to upgrade.



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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 11:40 ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 12:04   ` Woodhouse, David
@ 2019-08-07 12:07   ` Elnikety, Eslam
  2019-08-07 12:20     ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-07 12:30     ` Andrew Cooper
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Elnikety, Eslam @ 2019-08-07 12:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Cooper
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Julien Grall,
	Jan Beulich, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, Woodhouse, David



> On 7. Aug 2019, at 13:40, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>> Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
>> (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
>> event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
>> pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
>> ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
>> and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
>> FIFO vs 2L).
> 
> I'm afraid I don't follow.
> 
> We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
> Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.
> 
> It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
> has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.
> 
> What is the problem?
> 
> When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
> because that is what it was using previously.
> 
> ~Andrew


After resuming (i.e., Linux's software_resume), the guest will indeed continue to use 2L. However, Xen has already done evtchn_fifo_init_control as part of the boot kernel init (before the guest's software_resume). Then, we reach the point where guest assumes 2L and Xen assumes FIFO.
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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 12:04   ` Woodhouse, David
@ 2019-08-07 12:18     ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-07 12:24     ` Andrew Cooper
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Jan Beulich @ 2019-08-07 12:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Woodhouse, David
  Cc: sstabellini, wl, konrad.wilk, George.Dunlap, andrew.cooper3,
	ian.jackson, Eslam Elnikety, tim, julien.grall, anthony.perard,
	xen-devel

On 07.08.2019 14:04,  Woodhouse, David  wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 12:40 +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>>> Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
>>> (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
>>> event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
>>> pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
>>> ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
>>> and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
>>> FIFO vs 2L).
>>
>> I'm afraid I don't follow.
>>
>> We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
>> Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.
>>
>> It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
>> has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.
>>
>> What is the problem?
>>
>> When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
>> because that is what it was using previously.
> 
> On resume, the guest first boots a Linux kernel (the 'boot' kernel).
> That kernel then loads the previous state (the 'resumed' kernel) from
> disk and then transfers control to it.
> 
> I believe the problem occurs when the boot kernel sees and enables FIFO
> mode, then transfers control to the resumed kernel which is expecting
> 2L.
> 
> I wonder if treating it more like a kexec and doing SHUTDOWN_soft_reset
> in the handover might be a viable long-term approach (and deal with
> other KASLR-related problems). Not that soft reset currently resets
> this AFAICT at a quick glance, but maybe it should?

Oh, definitely, if it doesn't already. Soft-reset should really do what
its name says and put state back to what it was initially.

Jan

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 12:07   ` Elnikety, Eslam
@ 2019-08-07 12:20     ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-07 13:27       ` Elnikety, Eslam
  2019-08-07 12:30     ` Andrew Cooper
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Jan Beulich @ 2019-08-07 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Elnikety, Eslam
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Julien Grall, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 07.08.2019 14:07,  Elnikety, Eslam  wrote:
>> On 7. Aug 2019, at 13:40, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>>> Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
>>> (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
>>> event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
>>> pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
>>> ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
>>> and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
>>> FIFO vs 2L).
>>
>> I'm afraid I don't follow.
>>
>> We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
>> Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.
>>
>> It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
>> has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.
>>
>> What is the problem?
>>
>> When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
>> because that is what it was using previously.
> 
> After resuming (i.e., Linux's software_resume), the guest will indeed continue
> to use 2L. However, Xen has already done evtchn_fifo_init_control as part of
> the boot kernel init (before the guest's software_resume). Then, we reach the
> point where guest assumes 2L and Xen assumes FIFO.

This involvement of two distinct kernels wasn't obvious at all from
the initial posting, despite the use of the terms "guest boot kernel"
and "resumed kernel". In any event - isn't this an issue to be solved
between the two kernels, without (as far as possible) Xen's
involvement, and without restricting guest capabilities?

Jan

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 12:04   ` Woodhouse, David
  2019-08-07 12:18     ` Jan Beulich
@ 2019-08-07 12:24     ` Andrew Cooper
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cooper @ 2019-08-07 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Woodhouse, David, Elnikety, Eslam, xen-devel
  Cc: sstabellini, wl, konrad.wilk, George.Dunlap, tim, ian.jackson,
	julien.grall, jbeulich, anthony.perard

On 07/08/2019 13:04, Woodhouse, David wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 12:40 +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>>> Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
>>> (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
>>> event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
>>> pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
>>> ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
>>> and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
>>> FIFO vs 2L).
>> I'm afraid I don't follow.
>>
>> We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
>> Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.
>>
>> It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
>> has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.
>>
>> What is the problem?
>>
>> When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
>> because that is what it was using previously.
> On resume, the guest first boots a Linux kernel (the 'boot' kernel).
> That kernel then loads the previous state (the 'resumed' kernel) from
> disk and then transfers control to it.

Right, so the 'boot' kernel is setting up a mode, which the on-disk
kernel/state can't cope with.

> I believe the problem occurs when the boot kernel sees and enables FIFO
> mode, then transfers control to the resumed kernel which is expecting
> 2L.

And I presume the underlying mess here is because virtual subsystems
aren't saved/restored like most other devices?

Ultimately, this looks like a Linux bug, but in the principle of "the
virtual environment a guest sees should be constant for its logical
lifetime", restricting the visible ABI probably is right thing to do.

~Andrew

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 12:07   ` Elnikety, Eslam
  2019-08-07 12:20     ` Jan Beulich
@ 2019-08-07 12:30     ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 13:01       ` Elnikety, Eslam
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cooper @ 2019-08-07 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Elnikety, Eslam
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Julien Grall,
	Jan Beulich, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, Woodhouse, David

On 07/08/2019 13:07, Elnikety, Eslam wrote:
>> On 7. Aug 2019, at 13:40, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>>> Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
>>> (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
>>> event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
>>> pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
>>> ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
>>> and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
>>> FIFO vs 2L).
>> I'm afraid I don't follow.
>>
>> We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
>> Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.
>>
>> It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
>> has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.
>>
>> What is the problem?
>>
>> When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
>> because that is what it was using previously.
>>
>> ~Andrew
>
> After resuming (i.e., Linux's software_resume), the guest will indeed continue to use 2L. However, Xen has already done evtchn_fifo_init_control as part of the boot kernel init (before the guest's software_resume). Then, we reach the point where guest assumes 2L and Xen assumes FIFO.

With Davids explanation, I now understand the problem.  However for
clarity, it is probably worth making a correction here.

It isn't Xen which does evtchn_fifo_init_control().  It is the "boot"
kernel issuing EVTCHNOP_init_control hypercall which switches the domain
from 2L mode into FIFO mode.

Xen is doing exactly as it was instructed.  The underlying bug is a
mismatch in behaviour between the "boot" kernel and the on-disk
kernel/state.

~Andrew

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 12:30     ` Andrew Cooper
@ 2019-08-07 13:01       ` Elnikety, Eslam
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Elnikety, Eslam @ 2019-08-07 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Cooper
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Julien Grall,
	Jan Beulich, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, Woodhouse, David



> On 7. Aug 2019, at 14:30, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/08/2019 13:07, Elnikety, Eslam wrote:
>>> On 7. Aug 2019, at 13:40, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>>>> Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
>>>> (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
>>>> event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
>>>> pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
>>>> ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
>>>> and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
>>>> FIFO vs 2L).
>>> I'm afraid I don't follow.
>>> 
>>> We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
>>> Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.
>>> 
>>> It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
>>> has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.
>>> 
>>> What is the problem?
>>> 
>>> When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
>>> because that is what it was using previously.
>>> 
>>> ~Andrew
>> 
>> After resuming (i.e., Linux's software_resume), the guest will indeed continue to use 2L. However, Xen has already done evtchn_fifo_init_control as part of the boot kernel init (before the guest's software_resume). Then, we reach the point where guest assumes 2L and Xen assumes FIFO.
> 
> With Davids explanation, I now understand the problem.  However for
> clarity, it is probably worth making a correction here.
> 
> It isn't Xen which does evtchn_fifo_init_control().  It is the "boot"
> kernel issuing EVTCHNOP_init_control hypercall which switches the domain
> from 2L mode into FIFO mode.
> 
> Xen is doing exactly as it was instructed.  The underlying bug is a
> mismatch in behaviour between the "boot" kernel and the on-disk
> kernel/state.

Thanks a lot for the prompt responses, everyone.

Yes, Xen is doing the right thing. But, I would not call it a Linux bug either. Hibernate/resume (rightfully) assumes that the underlying HW and the virtual subsystem and its capabilities have not changed during the guest's logical lifetime. The knob introduced in this patch goes along the same lines: allow an administrator to control which event channel ABI support level to expose in order to maintain a particular guest's view of the underlying HW and virtual subsystem.

> 
> ~Andrew


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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 12:20     ` Jan Beulich
@ 2019-08-07 13:27       ` Elnikety, Eslam
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Elnikety, Eslam @ 2019-08-07 13:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jan Beulich
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Julien Grall, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, Woodhouse, David

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On 7. Aug 2019, at 14:20, Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com<mailto:jbeulich@suse.com>> wrote:

On 07.08.2019 14:07,  Elnikety, Eslam  wrote:
On 7. Aug 2019, at 13:40, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com<mailto:andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>> wrote:
On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
(see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
FIFO vs 2L).

I'm afraid I don't follow.

We have a Linux kernel which knows about FIFO, which was first booted on
Xen < 4.4, so configured 2L mode.

It is then suspended, and resumed on a newer Xen >= 4.4.  The guest now
has a choice between 2L mode, and FIFO mode.

What is the problem?

When resuming, the guest in question should continue to use 2L mode,
because that is what it was using previously.
After resuming (i.e., Linux's software_resume), the guest will indeed continue
to use 2L. However, Xen has already done evtchn_fifo_init_control as part of
the boot kernel init (before the guest's software_resume). Then, we reach the
point where guest assumes 2L and Xen assumes FIFO.

This involvement of two distinct kernels wasn't obvious at all from
the initial posting, despite the use of the terms "guest boot kernel"
and "resumed kernel". In any event - isn't this an issue to be solved
between the two kernels, without (as far as possible) Xen's
involvement, and without restricting guest capabilities?

Jan

I think a re-write for the commit message is in order, given that the distinction between boot and resume kernels was not clear. I will do that, along with other changes if needed, subject to the maintainers being happy with the patch at a high level.

In principle, we can instruct the boot kernel to not use FIFO. Yet, this will be needed when resuming on Xen >= 4.4, but not needed when resuming on Xen < 4.4. I think this is grounds to introduce the knob.

Thanks,
Eslam

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 11:20 [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable Eslam Elnikety
  2019-08-07 11:40 ` Andrew Cooper
@ 2019-08-07 13:41 ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 14:30   ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-07 15:43   ` Elnikety, Eslam
  2019-08-07 14:35 ` Jan Beulich
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cooper @ 2019-08-07 13:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eslam Elnikety, xen-devel
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Julien Grall,
	Jan Beulich, Anthony PERARD, David Woodhouse

On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
> diff --git a/xen/include/public/domctl.h b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
> index 19486d5e32..654b4fdd22 100644
> --- a/xen/include/public/domctl.h
> +++ b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
> @@ -64,6 +64,9 @@ struct xen_domctl_createdomain {
>   /* Is this a xenstore domain? */
>  #define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain     4
>  #define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain      (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain)
> + /* Disable FIFO event channels? */
> +#define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo  5
> +#define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo   (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo)
>      uint32_t flags;

On the subject of the the patch itself, I think this is broadly the
right principle, but wants to be expressed differently.

First, you'll want to rebase onto a very recent master, and specifically
over c/s d8f2490561eb which has changed how this field is handled in Xen.

Furthermore, if there is this problem for event channels, then there is
almost certainly a related problem for grant tables.

The control in Xen should be expressed in a positive form, or the logic
will become a tangle.  It should be a bit permitting the use of the FIFO
ABI, rather than a bit saying "oh actually, you can't use that".

That said, it might be easier to declare FIFO to be "event channel v2",
and specify max_{grant,evntchn}_ver instead.

I'm open to other suggestions as well.

~Andrew

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 13:41 ` Andrew Cooper
@ 2019-08-07 14:30   ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-07 15:00     ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 15:43   ` Elnikety, Eslam
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Jan Beulich @ 2019-08-07 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Cooper
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Eslam Elnikety,
	Julien Grall, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 07.08.2019 15:41, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>> diff --git a/xen/include/public/domctl.h b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>> index 19486d5e32..654b4fdd22 100644
>> --- a/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>> +++ b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>> @@ -64,6 +64,9 @@ struct xen_domctl_createdomain {
>>    /* Is this a xenstore domain? */
>>   #define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain     4
>>   #define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain      (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain)
>> + /* Disable FIFO event channels? */
>> +#define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo  5
>> +#define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo   (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo)
>>       uint32_t flags;
> 
> On the subject of the the patch itself, I think this is broadly the
> right principle, but wants to be expressed differently.
> 
> First, you'll want to rebase onto a very recent master, and specifically
> over c/s d8f2490561eb which has changed how this field is handled in Xen.
> 
> Furthermore, if there is this problem for event channels, then there is
> almost certainly a related problem for grant tables.
> 
> The control in Xen should be expressed in a positive form, or the logic
> will become a tangle.  It should be a bit permitting the use of the FIFO
> ABI, rather than a bit saying "oh actually, you can't use that".
> 
> That said, it might be easier to declare FIFO to be "event channel v2",
> and specify max_{grant,evntchn}_ver instead.

I'm not sure assuming linear (or actually any) ordering between
variants is a good thing. Yes, right now we only have gnttab
v1 and v2 and evtchn 2l and fifo, which could be considered v1
and v2 as you suggest. However, assuming a 3rd variant surfaces,
why would it be that one has to expose v2 just to make v3
usable? In particular gnttab v2 has various issues (which is why
you introduced a way to disable its use in the first place), yet
I'd hope we'd end up with a less quirky v3 if one ever becomes
necessary. And in turn I'd hope we could hide v2 from any v3
users.

IOW I think a bitmap to permit use of "advanced" versions is
more future proof. (As a side note, I don't think we want to
introduce a disable for the respective v1 interfaces.)

Jan

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 11:20 [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable Eslam Elnikety
  2019-08-07 11:40 ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 13:41 ` Andrew Cooper
@ 2019-08-07 14:35 ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-07 14:41   ` Julien Grall
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Jan Beulich @ 2019-08-07 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eslam Elnikety
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Julien Grall, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 07.08.2019 13:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
> Adding support for FIFO event channel ABI was first introduced in Xen 4.4
> (see 88910061ec6). Make this support tunable, since the choice of which
> event channel ABI has implications for hibernation. Consider resuming a
> pre Xen 4.4 hibernated Linux guest. The guest boot kernel defaults to FIFO
> ABI, whereas the resume kernel assumes 2L. This, in turn, results in Xen
> and the resumed kernel talking past each other (due to different protocols
> FIFO vs 2L).
> 
> In order to announce to guests that the event channel ABI does not support
> FIFO, the hypervisor returns ENOSYS on init_control operation. When this
> operation fails, the guest should continue to use the 2L event channel ABI.
> For example, in Linux drivers/xen/events/events_base.c:
> 
>      if (fifo_events)
>          ret = xen_evtchn_fifo_init();
>      if (ret < 0)
>          xen_evtchn_2l_init();
> 
> and xen_evtchn_fifo_init fails when EVTCHNOP_init_control fails. This commit
> does not change the current default behaviour: announce FIFO event channels
> ABI support for guests unless explicitly stated otherwise at domaincreate.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Eslam Elnikety <elnikety@amazon.com>

Seeing that there looks to form agreement that restricting evtchn
variants just like gnttab ones is wanted (I'm still not really
convinced it is the right approach for the problem at hand, but I
do agree having such control may be helpful in general), a few
remarks on the patch itself:

> --- a/xen/common/domain.c
> +++ b/xen/common/domain.c
> @@ -444,6 +444,9 @@ struct domain *domain_create(domid_t domid,
>           d->controller_pause_count = 1;
>           atomic_inc(&d->pause_count);
>   
> +        if ( d->options & XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo )
> +            d->disable_evtchn_fifo = 1;

This wants to be "true".

> --- a/xen/common/event_channel.c
> +++ b/xen/common/event_channel.c
> @@ -1170,6 +1170,11 @@ long do_event_channel_op(int cmd, XEN_GUEST_HANDLE_PARAM(void) arg)
>   
>       case EVTCHNOP_init_control: {
>           struct evtchn_init_control init_control;
> +
> +        /* Fail init_control for domains that must use 2l ABI */
> +        if ( current->domain->disable_evtchn_fifo )
> +            return -ENOSYS;

ENOSYS is not an appropriate error code here. EOPNOTSUPP might
be, and I guess there are more options (like EPERM or EACCES).

> --- a/xen/include/xen/sched.h
> +++ b/xen/include/xen/sched.h
> @@ -338,6 +338,7 @@ struct domain
>      struct evtchn  **evtchn_group[NR_EVTCHN_GROUPS]; /* all other buckets */
>      unsigned int     max_evtchns;     /* number supported by ABI */
>      unsigned int     max_evtchn_port; /* max permitted port number */
> +    bool             disable_evtchn_fifo;            /* force 2l ABI */
>      unsigned int     valid_evtchns;   /* number of allocated event channels */
>      spinlock_t       event_lock;
>      const struct evtchn_port_ops *evtchn_port_ops;

I suppose you can find a better place to put this 1-byte field
than between two 32-bit ones, leaving a 3-byte hole.

Jan

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 14:35 ` Jan Beulich
@ 2019-08-07 14:41   ` Julien Grall
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Julien Grall @ 2019-08-07 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jan Beulich, Eslam Elnikety
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Andrew Cooper, Ian Jackson, Tim Deegan,
	Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

Hi,

On 07/08/2019 15:35, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 07.08.2019 13:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
  >> --- a/xen/include/xen/sched.h
>> +++ b/xen/include/xen/sched.h
>> @@ -338,6 +338,7 @@ struct domain
>>      struct evtchn  **evtchn_group[NR_EVTCHN_GROUPS]; /* all other buckets */
>>      unsigned int     max_evtchns;     /* number supported by ABI */
>>      unsigned int     max_evtchn_port; /* max permitted port number */
>> +    bool             disable_evtchn_fifo;            /* force 2l ABI */
>>      unsigned int     valid_evtchns;   /* number of allocated event channels */
>>      spinlock_t       event_lock;
>>      const struct evtchn_port_ops *evtchn_port_ops;
> 
> I suppose you can find a better place to put this 1-byte field
> than between two 32-bit ones, leaving a 3-byte hole.

Or just remove the field because the same value is already stored in d->options...

Cheers,

-- 
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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 14:30   ` Jan Beulich
@ 2019-08-07 15:00     ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 15:08       ` Jan Beulich
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cooper @ 2019-08-07 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jan Beulich
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Eslam Elnikety,
	Julien Grall, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 07/08/2019 15:30, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 07.08.2019 15:41, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>>> diff --git a/xen/include/public/domctl.h b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>>> index 19486d5e32..654b4fdd22 100644
>>> --- a/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>>> +++ b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>>> @@ -64,6 +64,9 @@ struct xen_domctl_createdomain {
>>>    /* Is this a xenstore domain? */
>>>   #define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain     4
>>>   #define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain      (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain)
>>> + /* Disable FIFO event channels? */
>>> +#define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo  5
>>> +#define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo  
>>> (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo)
>>>       uint32_t flags;
>>
>> On the subject of the the patch itself, I think this is broadly the
>> right principle, but wants to be expressed differently.
>>
>> First, you'll want to rebase onto a very recent master, and specifically
>> over c/s d8f2490561eb which has changed how this field is handled in
>> Xen.
>>
>> Furthermore, if there is this problem for event channels, then there is
>> almost certainly a related problem for grant tables.
>>
>> The control in Xen should be expressed in a positive form, or the logic
>> will become a tangle.  It should be a bit permitting the use of the FIFO
>> ABI, rather than a bit saying "oh actually, you can't use that".
>>
>> That said, it might be easier to declare FIFO to be "event channel v2",
>> and specify max_{grant,evntchn}_ver instead.
>
> I'm not sure assuming linear (or actually any) ordering between
> variants is a good thing. Yes, right now we only have gnttab
> v1 and v2 and evtchn 2l and fifo, which could be considered v1
> and v2 as you suggest. However, assuming a 3rd variant surfaces,
> why would it be that one has to expose v2 just to make v3
> usable? In particular gnttab v2 has various issues (which is why
> you introduced a way to disable its use in the first place), yet
> I'd hope we'd end up with a less quirky v3 if one ever becomes
> necessary. And in turn I'd hope we could hide v2 from any v3
> users.
>
> IOW I think a bitmap to permit use of "advanced" versions is
> more future proof. (As a side note, I don't think we want to
> introduce a disable for the respective v1 interfaces.)

We absolutely do want a way to turn everything off.

The inability to turn the Xen extensions off for HVM guests (even if
only for debugging purposes) is a severely short sighted decision.

It is also a feature which has been requested repeatedly by users in the
past, and I am very deliberately building a way to do this into the
CPUID work.

However, it is an unreasonable request to bundle into this bugfix, hence
why I didn't suggest it.

Now I think about it, things like available ABIs really should be in the
Xen hypervisor CPUID leaves, but again, that ship sailed a decade ago.

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 15:00     ` Andrew Cooper
@ 2019-08-07 15:08       ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-07 15:57         ` Andrew Cooper
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Jan Beulich @ 2019-08-07 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Cooper
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Eslam Elnikety,
	Julien Grall, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 07.08.2019 17:00, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 07/08/2019 15:30, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> On 07.08.2019 15:41, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>> Furthermore, if there is this problem for event channels, then there is
>>> almost certainly a related problem for grant tables.
>>>
>>> The control in Xen should be expressed in a positive form, or the logic
>>> will become a tangle.  It should be a bit permitting the use of the FIFO
>>> ABI, rather than a bit saying "oh actually, you can't use that".
>>>
>>> That said, it might be easier to declare FIFO to be "event channel v2",
>>> and specify max_{grant,evntchn}_ver instead.
>>
>> I'm not sure assuming linear (or actually any) ordering between
>> variants is a good thing. Yes, right now we only have gnttab
>> v1 and v2 and evtchn 2l and fifo, which could be considered v1
>> and v2 as you suggest. However, assuming a 3rd variant surfaces,
>> why would it be that one has to expose v2 just to make v3
>> usable? In particular gnttab v2 has various issues (which is why
>> you introduced a way to disable its use in the first place), yet
>> I'd hope we'd end up with a less quirky v3 if one ever becomes
>> necessary. And in turn I'd hope we could hide v2 from any v3
>> users.
>>
>> IOW I think a bitmap to permit use of "advanced" versions is
>> more future proof. (As a side note, I don't think we want to
>> introduce a disable for the respective v1 interfaces.)
> 
> We absolutely do want a way to turn everything off.
> 
> The inability to turn the Xen extensions off for HVM guests (even if
> only for debugging purposes) is a severely short sighted decision.

For HVM perhaps, but not for PV.

> It is also a feature which has been requested repeatedly by users in the
> past, and I am very deliberately building a way to do this into the
> CPUID work.
> 
> However, it is an unreasonable request to bundle into this bugfix, hence
> why I didn't suggest it.

There's no bug fix here, as there's no bug (in Xen).

> Now I think about it, things like available ABIs really should be in the
> Xen hypervisor CPUID leaves, but again, that ship sailed a decade ago.

For comparison, do you know of any CPU architecture making _all_
of its basic insns and other functionality available conditionally
only? Just like there, I think it is reasonable to have a basic
set available in all cases. Nevertheless, as said above, HVM might
have benefited from making even some basic hypercalls conditional,
because there they're strictly extensions, not base functionality.

Jan

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 13:41 ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 14:30   ` Jan Beulich
@ 2019-08-07 15:43   ` Elnikety, Eslam
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Elnikety, Eslam @ 2019-08-07 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Cooper, Jan Beulich, Julien Grall
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Anthony PERARD,
	xen-devel, Woodhouse, David



> On 7. Aug 2019, at 15:41, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/08/2019 12:20, Eslam Elnikety wrote:
>> diff --git a/xen/include/public/domctl.h b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>> index 19486d5e32..654b4fdd22 100644
>> --- a/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>> +++ b/xen/include/public/domctl.h
>> @@ -64,6 +64,9 @@ struct xen_domctl_createdomain {
>>  /* Is this a xenstore domain? */
>> #define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain     4
>> #define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain      (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_xs_domain)
>> + /* Disable FIFO event channels? */
>> +#define _XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo  5
>> +#define XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo   (1U<<_XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_disable_fifo)
>>     uint32_t flags;
> 
> On the subject of the the patch itself, I think this is broadly the
> right principle, but wants to be expressed differently.
> 
> First, you'll want to rebase onto a very recent master, and specifically
> over c/s d8f2490561eb which has changed how this field is handled in Xen.

The patch was already on master c/s 0a6ad045c5fe. That said, I was not using the new d->options. Thanks for the hint. v2 will.

> 
> Furthermore, if there is this problem for event channels, then there is
> almost certainly a related problem for grant tables.

I would concur. For grant tables, there is at least the opt_gnttab_max_version controlled by commandline. It would be nice to have it per-domain.

> 
> The control in Xen should be expressed in a positive form, or the logic
> will become a tangle.  It should be a bit permitting the use of the FIFO
> ABI, rather than a bit saying "oh actually, you can't use that”.

I chose the negative form since otherwise the patch will have to enable that bit in many places to retain the current default behaviour of allowing FIFO unless stated otherwise. (The form, as is, is similar to other knobs: feature-disable-keyboard and feature-disable-pointer.)

> 
> That said, it might be easier to declare FIFO to be "event channel v2",
> and specify max_{grant,evntchn}_ver instead.
> 
> I'm open to other suggestions as well.
> 
> ~Andrew


Andrew, Jan, and Julien, thanks for reviewing and the feedback. I will revise and send v2 over the next couple of days. 

Thanks,
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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 15:08       ` Jan Beulich
@ 2019-08-07 15:57         ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-07 16:03           ` Jan Beulich
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cooper @ 2019-08-07 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jan Beulich
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk,
	George Dunlap, Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Eslam Elnikety,
	Julien Grall, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 07/08/2019 16:08, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 07.08.2019 17:00, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 07/08/2019 15:30, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> On 07.08.2019 15:41, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>>> Furthermore, if there is this problem for event channels, then
>>>> there is
>>>> almost certainly a related problem for grant tables.
>>>>
>>>> The control in Xen should be expressed in a positive form, or the
>>>> logic
>>>> will become a tangle.  It should be a bit permitting the use of the
>>>> FIFO
>>>> ABI, rather than a bit saying "oh actually, you can't use that".
>>>>
>>>> That said, it might be easier to declare FIFO to be "event channel
>>>> v2",
>>>> and specify max_{grant,evntchn}_ver instead.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure assuming linear (or actually any) ordering between
>>> variants is a good thing. Yes, right now we only have gnttab
>>> v1 and v2 and evtchn 2l and fifo, which could be considered v1
>>> and v2 as you suggest. However, assuming a 3rd variant surfaces,
>>> why would it be that one has to expose v2 just to make v3
>>> usable? In particular gnttab v2 has various issues (which is why
>>> you introduced a way to disable its use in the first place), yet
>>> I'd hope we'd end up with a less quirky v3 if one ever becomes
>>> necessary. And in turn I'd hope we could hide v2 from any v3
>>> users.
>>>
>>> IOW I think a bitmap to permit use of "advanced" versions is
>>> more future proof. (As a side note, I don't think we want to
>>> introduce a disable for the respective v1 interfaces.)
>>
>> We absolutely do want a way to turn everything off.
>>
>> The inability to turn the Xen extensions off for HVM guests (even if
>> only for debugging purposes) is a severely short sighted decision.
>
> For HVM perhaps, but not for PV.

Right...

I'm confused as to what in my sentence is in any way unclear.

>
>> It is also a feature which has been requested repeatedly by users in the
>> past, and I am very deliberately building a way to do this into the
>> CPUID work.
>>
>> However, it is an unreasonable request to bundle into this bugfix, hence
>> why I didn't suggest it.
>
> There's no bug fix here, as there's no bug (in Xen).

?  I didn't say it was a bug in Xen, but the change is specifically to
fix a bug.

>
>> Now I think about it, things like available ABIs really should be in the
>> Xen hypervisor CPUID leaves, but again, that ship sailed a decade ago.
>
> For comparison, do you know of any CPU architecture making _all_
> of its basic insns and other functionality available conditionally
> only?

No, but that's also not what I'm suggesting.

For an HVM guest, literally everything Xen-specific, from hypercalls to
CPUID leaves to xenstored and PV drivers, is an extension on a base
IBM-compatible PC.

There should always have been a way of of running an HVM guest without
any of this, and we (the Xen community) really do have users which want
to be able to do this.

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 15:57         ` Andrew Cooper
@ 2019-08-07 16:03           ` Jan Beulich
  2019-08-14 12:51             ` George Dunlap
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Jan Beulich @ 2019-08-07 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Cooper
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad RzeszutekWilk, George Dunlap,
	Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Eslam Elnikety, Julien Grall,
	Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 07.08.2019 17:57, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 07/08/2019 16:08, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> On 07.08.2019 17:00, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2019 15:30, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 07.08.2019 15:41, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>>>> Furthermore, if there is this problem for event channels, then
>>>>> there is
>>>>> almost certainly a related problem for grant tables.
>>>>>
>>>>> The control in Xen should be expressed in a positive form, or the
>>>>> logic
>>>>> will become a tangle.  It should be a bit permitting the use of the
>>>>> FIFO
>>>>> ABI, rather than a bit saying "oh actually, you can't use that".
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, it might be easier to declare FIFO to be "event channel
>>>>> v2",
>>>>> and specify max_{grant,evntchn}_ver instead.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure assuming linear (or actually any) ordering between
>>>> variants is a good thing. Yes, right now we only have gnttab
>>>> v1 and v2 and evtchn 2l and fifo, which could be considered v1
>>>> and v2 as you suggest. However, assuming a 3rd variant surfaces,
>>>> why would it be that one has to expose v2 just to make v3
>>>> usable? In particular gnttab v2 has various issues (which is why
>>>> you introduced a way to disable its use in the first place), yet
>>>> I'd hope we'd end up with a less quirky v3 if one ever becomes
>>>> necessary. And in turn I'd hope we could hide v2 from any v3
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>> IOW I think a bitmap to permit use of "advanced" versions is
>>>> more future proof. (As a side note, I don't think we want to
>>>> introduce a disable for the respective v1 interfaces.)
>>>
>>> We absolutely do want a way to turn everything off.
>>>
>>> The inability to turn the Xen extensions off for HVM guests (even if
>>> only for debugging purposes) is a severely short sighted decision.
>>
>> For HVM perhaps, but not for PV.
> 
> Right...
> 
> I'm confused as to what in my sentence is in any way unclear.

I'm sorry, I must have been completely blind to the "HVM" in
what you've said.

>>> It is also a feature which has been requested repeatedly by users in the
>>> past, and I am very deliberately building a way to do this into the
>>> CPUID work.
>>>
>>> However, it is an unreasonable request to bundle into this bugfix, hence
>>> why I didn't suggest it.
>>
>> There's no bug fix here, as there's no bug (in Xen).
> 
> ?  I didn't say it was a bug in Xen, but the change is specifically to
> fix a bug.

Whatever we do in Xen, it'll only allow to work around that issue.
An actual fix belongs in the kernel(s). For this reason I suppose
what we're talking about here is a feature (from Xen's pov), not a
bug fix. And it being a feature, it should preferably be coded in
a way that's usable also going forward.

Jan

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-07 16:03           ` Jan Beulich
@ 2019-08-14 12:51             ` George Dunlap
  2019-08-14 13:02               ` Andrew Cooper
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: George Dunlap @ 2019-08-14 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jan Beulich, Andrew Cooper
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad RzeszutekWilk, George Dunlap,
	Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Eslam Elnikety, Julien Grall,
	Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 8/7/19 5:03 PM, Jan Beulich wrote:
> Whatever we do in Xen, it'll only allow to work around that issue.
> An actual fix belongs in the kernel(s). For this reason I suppose
> what we're talking about here is a feature (from Xen's pov), not a
> bug fix. And it being a feature, it should preferably be coded in
> a way that's usable also going forward.

FWIW, I agree with what I understand Jan to be saying:

1. It would be good to be able to disable FIFO event channels, but

2. Disabling them in Xen isn't really the right way to fix Amazon's
issue. Rather, probably the soft reboot should reset the event channel
state.

 -George

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-14 12:51             ` George Dunlap
@ 2019-08-14 13:02               ` Andrew Cooper
  2019-08-19 12:16                 ` Eslam Elnikety
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cooper @ 2019-08-14 13:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: George Dunlap, Jan Beulich
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad RzeszutekWilk, George Dunlap,
	Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Eslam Elnikety, Julien Grall,
	Anthony PERARD, xen-devel, David Woodhouse

On 14/08/2019 13:51, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 8/7/19 5:03 PM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> Whatever we do in Xen, it'll only allow to work around that issue.
>> An actual fix belongs in the kernel(s). For this reason I suppose
>> what we're talking about here is a feature (from Xen's pov), not a
>> bug fix. And it being a feature, it should preferably be coded in
>> a way that's usable also going forward.
> FWIW, I agree with what I understand Jan to be saying:
>
> 1. It would be good to be able to disable FIFO event channels, but
>
> 2. Disabling them in Xen isn't really the right way to fix Amazon's
> issue. Rather, probably the soft reboot should reset the event channel
> state.

Depends what you mean about "fix the issue".

Amazon have real customer VMs in this situation which will break on a
Xen old => new upgrade.  Modifying Xen is the only rational option.

They are also doing this in an upstream compatible manner (which is
great).  One way or another, Xen needs to gain this ability to work
around broken-linux which is already in the field.

As for the ideal way to fix this, this bug has existed in Linux longer
than soft-reset has been a thing, and frankly, its still a gruesome
hack.  We need some interfaces which don't suck so terribly.

~Andrew

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* Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable
  2019-08-14 13:02               ` Andrew Cooper
@ 2019-08-19 12:16                 ` Eslam Elnikety
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Eslam Elnikety @ 2019-08-19 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Cooper, George Dunlap, Jan Beulich
  Cc: Stefano Stabellini, Wei Liu, Konrad RzeszutekWilk, George Dunlap,
	Tim Deegan, Ian Jackson, Julien Grall, Anthony PERARD, xen-devel,
	David Woodhouse



On 14.08.19 15:02, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 14/08/2019 13:51, George Dunlap wrote:
>> On 8/7/19 5:03 PM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> Whatever we do in Xen, it'll only allow to work around that issue.
>>> An actual fix belongs in the kernel(s). For this reason I suppose
>>> what we're talking about here is a feature (from Xen's pov), not a
>>> bug fix. And it being a feature, it should preferably be coded in
>>> a way that's usable also going forward.
>> FWIW, I agree with what I understand Jan to be saying:
>>
>> 1. It would be good to be able to disable FIFO event channels, but
>>
>> 2. Disabling them in Xen isn't really the right way to fix Amazon's
>> issue. Rather, probably the soft reboot should reset the event channel
>> state.
> 
> Depends what you mean about "fix the issue".
> 
> Amazon have real customer VMs in this situation which will break on a
> Xen old => new upgrade.  Modifying Xen is the only rational option.
> 
> They are also doing this in an upstream compatible manner (which is
> great).  One way or another, Xen needs to gain this ability to work
> around broken-linux which is already in the field.
> 
> As for the ideal way to fix this, this bug has existed in Linux longer
> than soft-reset has been a thing, and frankly, its still a gruesome
> hack.  We need some interfaces which don't suck so terribly.
> 
> ~Andrew
> 

Thanks, Andrew. I second those points.

I have just sent v3 of this patch, mostly addressing comments from Jan. 
Have a look, and let me know if there are further tweaks you would 
rather see. Thanks.

Cheers,
Eslam

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2019-08-07 11:20 [Xen-devel] [PATCH] evtchn: make support for different ABIs tunable Eslam Elnikety
2019-08-07 11:40 ` Andrew Cooper
2019-08-07 12:04   ` Woodhouse, David
2019-08-07 12:18     ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-07 12:24     ` Andrew Cooper
2019-08-07 12:07   ` Elnikety, Eslam
2019-08-07 12:20     ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-07 13:27       ` Elnikety, Eslam
2019-08-07 12:30     ` Andrew Cooper
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2019-08-07 13:41 ` Andrew Cooper
2019-08-07 14:30   ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-07 15:00     ` Andrew Cooper
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2019-08-07 16:03           ` Jan Beulich
2019-08-14 12:51             ` George Dunlap
2019-08-14 13:02               ` Andrew Cooper
2019-08-19 12:16                 ` Eslam Elnikety
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