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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Drew DeVault" <sir@cmpwn.com>
Cc: <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] send-email: clarify SMTP encryption settings
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 18:09:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqczv3kks4.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJMW3X0O81L.8TNFDEFUNML1@taiga> (Drew DeVault's message of "Fri, 09 Apr 2021 20:57:30 -0400")

"Drew DeVault" <sir@cmpwn.com> writes:

>> I couldn't find a justification for our log message to call
>> STARTTLS-style explicit TLS "deprecated". When you send an updated
>> version, please give a reference.
>
> The main concern with STARTTLS is downgrade attacks. I'll note this in
> the commit message for v2.
> ...
> If I may propose a bold alternative: what I added as "ssl/tls", i.e.
> "modern" SSL, should be "yes", no encryption should be "no", and if you
> specifically need starttls: "starttls".

Well, "is starttls deprecated" given to search engine gives me

    SMTPS (implicit SSL) has been deprecated/obsolete since
    SMTP+STARTTLS (explicit SSL) was defined in RFC2487.

as the "featured snippet", and there are debates like "SMTPS has
been deprecated since forever (late 90's or thereabouts)"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10556797

I strongly prefer to keep our documentation out of that mess by not
taking sides.  To me, both are valid options to make the world safer
over cleartext, and we won't have to make recommendations when both
are available.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-10  1:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-09 21:18 [PATCH] send-email: clarify SMTP encryption settings Drew DeVault
2021-04-09 22:04 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-04-09 23:14 ` Georgios Kontaxis
2021-04-09 23:39   ` Drew DeVault
2021-04-10  0:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-10  0:57   ` Drew DeVault
2021-04-10  1:09     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2021-04-11  5:48   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-04-10  1:39 ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-10  1:42   ` Drew DeVault
2021-04-10 16:43     ` Junio C Hamano

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