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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Jacob Keller" <jacob.keller@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: win+VS environment has "cut" but not "paste"?
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 09:05:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqmti1u20m.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2203071649100.11118@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet> (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:51:07 +0100 (CET)")

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:

> I said that the current output is only useful to veterans. The output that
> hides the detailed log, under a separate job that is marked as
> non-failing.
>
> That's still as true as when I said it. :-)

I think getting rid of the separate "print failures" CI step and
making it more discoverable how to reveal the details of failing
test step is a usability improvement.

I am not Ævar, but I think what was questioned was the improvement
justifies multi dozens of seconds extra waiting time, which is a
usability dis-improvement.  I do not have a good answer to that
question.

I am probably nearing to be a veteran who knows when to brew my tea
in my work cycle, and waiting for an extra minute or two while
browsing CI output is not a problem for me.

But new "non-veteran" users may not share that.  That is something a
bit worrying about the new UI.

Thanks.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-07 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-24 18:56 [PATCH 0/9] ci: make Git's GitHub workflow output much more helpful Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 1/9] ci: fix code style Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 2/9] ci/run-build-and-tests: take a more high-level view Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-24 23:22   ` Eric Sunshine
2022-01-25 14:34     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 3/9] ci: make it easier to find failed tests' logs in the GitHub workflow Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-25 23:48   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 4/9] ci/run-build-and-tests: add some structure to the GitHub workflow output Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-02-23 12:13   ` Phillip Wood
2022-02-25 13:40     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 5/9] tests: refactor --write-junit-xml code Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-26  0:10   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 6/9] test(junit): avoid line feeds in XML attributes Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 7/9] ci: optionally mark up output in the GitHub workflow Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 8/9] ci: use `--github-workflow-markup` " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 9/9] ci: call `finalize_test_case_output` a little later Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-26  0:25 ` [PATCH 0/9] ci: make Git's GitHub workflow output much more helpful Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-27 16:31 ` CI "grouping" within jobs v.s. lighter split-out jobs (was: [PATCH 0/9] ci: make Git's GitHub workflow output much more helpful) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-19 23:46 ` [PATCH 0/9] ci: make Git's GitHub workflow output much more helpful Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-20  2:44   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-20 15:25     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-21  8:09       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-22 10:26         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-20 12:47   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-22 10:30     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-22 13:31       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-23 12:07         ` Phillip Wood
2022-02-25 12:39           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-25 14:10           ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-25 18:16             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-26 18:43               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-01  2:59                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-01  6:35                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-01 10:18                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-01 16:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-01 10:10                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-01 16:57                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-01 10:20               ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-04  7:38               ` win+VS environment has "cut" but not "paste"? Junio C Hamano
2022-03-04  9:04                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-07 15:51                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-07 17:05                     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2022-03-09 13:02                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-10 15:23                         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-07 15:48                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-07 16:58                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-02 10:58             ` [PATCH 0/9] ci: make Git's GitHub workflow output much more helpful Phillip Wood
2022-03-07 16:07               ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-07 17:11                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 11:44                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-07 17:12                 ` Phillip Wood
2022-03-01 10:24 ` [PATCH v2 " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 1/9] ci: fix code style Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 2/9] ci/run-build-and-tests: take a more high-level view Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 3/9] ci: make it easier to find failed tests' logs in the GitHub workflow Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 4/9] ci/run-build-and-tests: add some structure to the GitHub workflow output Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 5/9] tests: refactor --write-junit-xml code Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 6/9] test(junit): avoid line feeds in XML attributes Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 7/9] ci: optionally mark up output in the GitHub workflow Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 8/9] ci: use `--github-workflow-markup` " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 10:24   ` [PATCH v2 9/9] ci: call `finalize_test_case_output` a little later Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-03-01 19:07   ` [PATCH v2 0/9] ci: make Git's GitHub workflow output much more helpful Junio C Hamano
2022-03-02 12:22   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-07 15:57     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-07 16:05       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-07 17:36         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 10:56           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-09 13:20         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-03-09 19:39           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-03-09 19:47           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-25  0:48   ` Victoria Dye
2022-03-25  9:02     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-25 18:38       ` Victoria Dye
2022-05-21 21:42     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-21 23:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-22 18:48         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-22 19:10           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-23 12:58             ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-22 23:27         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-23 18:55           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-23 19:21             ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-23  9:05         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-23 18:41           ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-24  8:40             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-21 22:18   ` [PATCH v3 00/12] " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 01/12] ci: fix code style Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 02/12] tests: refactor --write-junit-xml code Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 03/12] test(junit): avoid line feeds in XML attributes Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 04/12] ci/run-build-and-tests: take a more high-level view Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 05/12] ci: make it easier to find failed tests' logs in the GitHub workflow Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 06/12] ci/run-build-and-tests: add some structure to the GitHub workflow output Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 07/12] ci: optionally mark up output in the GitHub workflow Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 08/12] ci(github): skip the logs of the successful test cases Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-24 10:47       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 09/12] ci(github): avoid printing test case preamble twice Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 10/12] ci: use `--github-workflow-markup` in the GitHub workflow Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 11/12] ci(github): mention where the full logs can be found Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 22:18     ` [PATCH v3 12/12] ci: call `finalize_test_case_output` a little later Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget

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