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From: Simo Sorce <simo@redhat.com>
To: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@wdc.com>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 06:49:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11ab4001f580a6b2c3cce959282259c1f9095f63.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aac9448e-29e9-6d03-1077-148be3c10f50@suse.de>

On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 12:14 +0200, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> On 7/19/21 1:52 PM, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> > Am Montag, dem 19.07.2021 um 13:10 +0200 schrieb Hannes Reinecke:
> > > On 7/19/21 12:19 PM, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> > > > Am Montag, dem 19.07.2021 um 11:57 +0200 schrieb Hannes Reinecke:
> > > > > On 7/19/21 10:51 AM, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> [ .. ]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thank you for clarifying that. It sounds to me that there is no
> > > > > > defined protocol (or if there, I would be wondering how the code would have
> > > > > > worked
> > > > > > with a different implementation). Would it make sense to first specify
> > > > > > a protocol for authentication and have it discussed? I personally think
> > > > > > it is a bit difficult to fully understand the protocol from the code and
> > > > > > discuss protocol-level items based on the code.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > Oh, the protocol _is_ specified:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > https://nvmexpress.org/wp-content/uploads/NVM-Express-Base-Specification-2_0-2021.06.02-Ratified-5.pdf
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's just that I have issues translating that spec onto what the kernel
> > > > > provides.
> > > > 
> > > > according to the naming conventions there in figures 447 and following:
> > > > 
> > > > - x and y: DH private key (kernel calls it secret set with dh_set_secret
> > > > or
> > > > encoded into param.key)
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > But that's were I got confused; one needs a private key here, but there
> > > is no obvious candidate for it. But reading it more closely I guess the
> > > private key is just a random number (cf the spec: g^y mod p, where y is
> > > a random number selected by the host that shall be at least 256 bits
> > > long). So I'll fix it up with the next round.
> > 
> > Here comes the crux: the kernel has an ECC private key generation function
> > ecdh_set_secret triggered with crypto_kpp_set_secret using a NULL key, but it
> > has no FFC-DH counterpart.
> > 
> > That said, generating a random number is the most obvious choice, but not the
> > right one.
> > 
> > The correct one would be following SP800-56A rev 3 and here either section
> > 5.6.1.1.3 or 5.6.1.1.4.
> > 
> Hmm. Okay. But after having read section 5.6.1.1.4, I still do have some
> questions.
> 
> Assume we will be using a bit length of 512 for FFDHE, then we will
> trivially pass Step 2 for all supported FFDHE groups (the maximum
> symmetric-equivalent strength for ffdhe8192 is 192 bits).

N = 512 is not a good choice, minimum length these days for DH should
be 2048 or more.

> From my understanding, the random number generator will fill out all
> available bytes in the string (and nothing more), so we trivially
> satisfy step 3 and 4.
> 
> And as q is always larger than the random number, step 6 reduces to
> 'if (c > 2^N - 2)',

Where is this coming from ?
It seem you assume M = 2^N but M = min(2^N, q)

The point here is to make sure the number X you return is:
0 < X < (q-1)

>  ie we just need to check if the random number is a
> string of 0xff characters. Which hardly is a random number at all, so
> it'll be impossible to get this.
> 
> Which then would mean that our 'x' is simply the random number + 1,

This is an artifact due to the random number being 0 <= c < 2^N - 1,
therefore 1 needs to be added to make sure you never return 0.

> which arguably is slightly pointless (one more than a random number is
> as random as the number itself), so I do feel justified with just
> returning a random number here.
> 
> Am I wrong with that reasoning?

Looks to me you are not accounting for the fact that N = 512 is too
small and a random number falling in the interval (q - 2) < X < 2^N is
unsuitable?

Simo.

-- 
Simo Sorce
RHEL Crypto Team
Red Hat, Inc





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From: Simo Sorce <simo@redhat.com>
To: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>,
	 Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@wdc.com>,
	 linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	 "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 06:49:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11ab4001f580a6b2c3cce959282259c1f9095f63.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aac9448e-29e9-6d03-1077-148be3c10f50@suse.de>

On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 12:14 +0200, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> On 7/19/21 1:52 PM, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> > Am Montag, dem 19.07.2021 um 13:10 +0200 schrieb Hannes Reinecke:
> > > On 7/19/21 12:19 PM, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> > > > Am Montag, dem 19.07.2021 um 11:57 +0200 schrieb Hannes Reinecke:
> > > > > On 7/19/21 10:51 AM, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> [ .. ]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thank you for clarifying that. It sounds to me that there is no
> > > > > > defined protocol (or if there, I would be wondering how the code would have
> > > > > > worked
> > > > > > with a different implementation). Would it make sense to first specify
> > > > > > a protocol for authentication and have it discussed? I personally think
> > > > > > it is a bit difficult to fully understand the protocol from the code and
> > > > > > discuss protocol-level items based on the code.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > Oh, the protocol _is_ specified:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > https://nvmexpress.org/wp-content/uploads/NVM-Express-Base-Specification-2_0-2021.06.02-Ratified-5.pdf
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's just that I have issues translating that spec onto what the kernel
> > > > > provides.
> > > > 
> > > > according to the naming conventions there in figures 447 and following:
> > > > 
> > > > - x and y: DH private key (kernel calls it secret set with dh_set_secret
> > > > or
> > > > encoded into param.key)
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > But that's were I got confused; one needs a private key here, but there
> > > is no obvious candidate for it. But reading it more closely I guess the
> > > private key is just a random number (cf the spec: g^y mod p, where y is
> > > a random number selected by the host that shall be at least 256 bits
> > > long). So I'll fix it up with the next round.
> > 
> > Here comes the crux: the kernel has an ECC private key generation function
> > ecdh_set_secret triggered with crypto_kpp_set_secret using a NULL key, but it
> > has no FFC-DH counterpart.
> > 
> > That said, generating a random number is the most obvious choice, but not the
> > right one.
> > 
> > The correct one would be following SP800-56A rev 3 and here either section
> > 5.6.1.1.3 or 5.6.1.1.4.
> > 
> Hmm. Okay. But after having read section 5.6.1.1.4, I still do have some
> questions.
> 
> Assume we will be using a bit length of 512 for FFDHE, then we will
> trivially pass Step 2 for all supported FFDHE groups (the maximum
> symmetric-equivalent strength for ffdhe8192 is 192 bits).

N = 512 is not a good choice, minimum length these days for DH should
be 2048 or more.

> From my understanding, the random number generator will fill out all
> available bytes in the string (and nothing more), so we trivially
> satisfy step 3 and 4.
> 
> And as q is always larger than the random number, step 6 reduces to
> 'if (c > 2^N - 2)',

Where is this coming from ?
It seem you assume M = 2^N but M = min(2^N, q)

The point here is to make sure the number X you return is:
0 < X < (q-1)

>  ie we just need to check if the random number is a
> string of 0xff characters. Which hardly is a random number at all, so
> it'll be impossible to get this.
> 
> Which then would mean that our 'x' is simply the random number + 1,

This is an artifact due to the random number being 0 <= c < 2^N - 1,
therefore 1 needs to be added to make sure you never return 0.

> which arguably is slightly pointless (one more than a random number is
> as random as the number itself), so I do feel justified with just
> returning a random number here.
> 
> Am I wrong with that reasoning?

Looks to me you are not accounting for the fact that N = 512 is too
small and a random number falling in the interval (q - 2) < X < 2^N is
unsuitable?

Simo.

-- 
Simo Sorce
RHEL Crypto Team
Red Hat, Inc





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Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-16 11:04 [RFC PATCH 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 01/11] crypto: add crypto_has_shash() Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17  6:08   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17  6:08     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 02/11] crypto: add crypto_has_kpp() Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17  6:08   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17  6:08     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 03/11] crypto/ffdhe: Finite Field DH Ephemeral Parameters Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17  6:14   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17  6:14     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17 13:57     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 13:57       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 15:03   ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-17 15:03     ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:22     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:22       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 04/11] lib/base64: RFC4648-compliant base64 encoding Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17  6:16   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17  6:16     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17 14:00     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 14:00       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 14:12       ` Eric Biggers
2021-07-17 14:12         ` Eric Biggers
2021-07-17 14:20   ` Eric Biggers
2021-07-17 14:20     ` Eric Biggers
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 05/11] nvme: add definitions for NVMe In-Band authentication Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17  6:30   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17  6:30     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17 14:04     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 14:04       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20 20:26       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-20 20:26         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 06/11] nvme: Implement " Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17  7:22   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17  7:22     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-18 12:21     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:21       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19  8:47       ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-19  8:47         ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-20 20:28       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-20 20:28         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-21  6:12         ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-21  6:12           ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 16:49   ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-17 16:49     ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:43     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:43       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:47       ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:47         ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-20 20:27   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-20 20:27     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-21  6:08     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-21  6:08       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-21 12:10       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-21 12:10         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 07/11] nvme-auth: augmented challenge support Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 16:49   ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-17 16:49     ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:27     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:27       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:57       ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:57         ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-19  9:21   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-19  9:21     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-20 13:12     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20 13:12       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 08/11] nvmet: Parse fabrics commands on all queues Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19  9:21   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-19  9:21     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 16:49   ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-17 16:49     ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:37     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:37       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:56       ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:56         ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-19  8:15         ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19  8:15           ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19  8:51           ` Stephan Mueller
2021-07-19  8:51             ` Stephan Mueller
2021-07-19  9:57             ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19  9:57               ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19 10:19               ` Stephan Mueller
2021-07-19 10:19                 ` Stephan Mueller
2021-07-19 11:10                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19 11:10                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19 11:52                   ` Stephan Mueller
2021-07-19 11:52                     ` Stephan Mueller
2021-07-19 12:08                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19 12:08                       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20 10:14                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20 10:14                       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20 10:49                       ` Simo Sorce [this message]
2021-07-20 10:49                         ` Simo Sorce
2021-07-20 11:31                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20 11:31                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20 14:44                           ` Simo Sorce
2021-07-20 14:44                             ` Simo Sorce
2021-07-20 14:47                             ` Stephan Mueller
2021-07-20 14:47                               ` Stephan Mueller
2021-07-23 20:02                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-23 20:02                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-18 13:26       ` Herbert Xu
2021-07-18 13:26         ` Herbert Xu
2021-07-19 20:38   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-19 20:38     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-20  6:08     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20  6:08       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 10/11] nvmet-auth: implement support for augmented challenge Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 16:49   ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-17 16:49     ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:25     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:25       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04 ` [PATCH 11/11] nvme: add non-standard ECDH and curve25517 algorithms Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-16 11:04   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17 16:50   ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-17 16:50     ` Stephan Müller
2021-07-18 12:44     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-18 12:44       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19  9:23   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-19  9:23     ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-19  9:56     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19  9:56       ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-17  6:06 ` [RFC PATCH 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-17  6:06   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-07-19 10:02 ` Simo Sorce
2021-07-19 10:02   ` Simo Sorce
2021-07-19 11:11   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-19 11:11     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-20 20:26 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-20 20:26   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-21  6:06   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-21  6:06     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-21 12:10     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-21 12:10       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-23 20:02       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-23 20:02         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2021-07-24 11:17         ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-07-24 11:17           ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-23  7:12 [PATCHv9 " Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-23  7:13 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-28  8:08 [PATCHv10 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-28  8:08 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-28 13:39 [PATCHv11 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-28 13:39 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-18 11:22 [PATCHv12 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-18 11:22 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-22 11:44   ` Max Gurtovoy
2022-05-23  6:03     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-05-25 10:42       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-06-07 10:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-08 14:45 [PATCHv14 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-08 14:45 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21  9:02 [PATCHv15 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21  9:02 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21 17:24 [PATCHv16 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-21 17:24 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-23  6:17 [PATCHv17 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-23  6:17 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-27  9:51 [PATCHv18 00/11] nvme: In-band authentication support Hannes Reinecke
2022-06-27  9:52 ` [PATCH 09/11] nvmet: Implement basic In-Band Authentication Hannes Reinecke

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