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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Cc: Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@oracle.com>, jim owens <jowens@hp.com>,
	ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v4.
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:18:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242130714.31807.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.00.0905121107400.4463@tundra.namei.org>

On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 11:12 +1000, James Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2009, Joel Becker wrote:
> 
> > > e.g. SELinux will need to perform some checks on the operation, then 
> > > calculate a new security context for the new file.
> > 
> > 	Do I need to pass in preserve_security as well so SELinux knows
> > what the ownership check determined?
> 
> Not for SELinux -- its security attributes are orthogonal to DAC, and it 
> will perform its own checks on them.

Is preserve_security supposed to also control the preservation of the
SELinux security attribute (security.selinux extended attribute)?  I'd
expect that either we preserve all the security-relevant attributes or
none of them.  And if that is the case, then SELinux has to know about
preserve_security in order to know what the security context of the new
inode will be.  

Also, if you are going to automatically degrade reflink(2) behavior
based on the owner_or_cap test, then you ought to allow the same to be
true if the security module vetoes the attempt to preserve attributes.
Either DAC or MAC logic may say that security attributes cannot be
preserved.  Your current logic will only allow graceful degradation in
the DAC case, but the MAC case will remain a hard failure.

> Other LSMs should operate similarly (there is also the CAP_CHOWN check 
> which the LSM may hook), although if not, the flag can be added later if 
> required.
> 
> 
> - James
-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Cc: Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@oracle.com>, jim owens <jowens@hp.com>,
	ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [Ocfs2-devel] [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v4.
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:18:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242130714.31807.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.00.0905121107400.4463@tundra.namei.org>

On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 11:12 +1000, James Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2009, Joel Becker wrote:
> 
> > > e.g. SELinux will need to perform some checks on the operation, then 
> > > calculate a new security context for the new file.
> > 
> > 	Do I need to pass in preserve_security as well so SELinux knows
> > what the ownership check determined?
> 
> Not for SELinux -- its security attributes are orthogonal to DAC, and it 
> will perform its own checks on them.

Is preserve_security supposed to also control the preservation of the
SELinux security attribute (security.selinux extended attribute)?  I'd
expect that either we preserve all the security-relevant attributes or
none of them.  And if that is the case, then SELinux has to know about
preserve_security in order to know what the security context of the new
inode will be.  

Also, if you are going to automatically degrade reflink(2) behavior
based on the owner_or_cap test, then you ought to allow the same to be
true if the security module vetoes the attempt to preserve attributes.
Either DAC or MAC logic may say that security attributes cannot be
preserved.  Your current logic will only allow graceful degradation in
the DAC case, but the MAC case will remain a hard failure.

> Other LSMs should operate similarly (there is also the CAP_CHOWN check 
> which the LSM may hook), although if not, the flag can be added later if 
> required.
> 
> 
> - James
-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-12 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 304+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-03  6:15 [RFC] The reflink(2) system call Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15 ` [PATCH 1/3] fs: Document the " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  8:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-03  8:01     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-04  2:46     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04  2:46       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-04  6:36       ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-05-04  6:36         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Michael Kerrisk
2009-05-04  7:12         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04  7:12           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03 13:08   ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-03 13:08     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Boaz Harrosh
2009-05-03 23:08     ` Al Viro
2009-05-03 23:08       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Al Viro
2009-05-04  2:49     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04  2:49       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03 23:45   ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-03 23:45     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2009-05-04  1:44     ` Tao Ma
2009-05-04  1:44       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Tao Ma
2009-05-04 18:25       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04 18:25         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-04 21:18         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04 21:18           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04 22:23           ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-04 22:23             ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05  6:55             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05  6:55               ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05  1:07   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05  1:07     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05  7:16     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05  7:16       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-05  8:09       ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05  8:09         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05 16:56         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 16:56           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-05 21:24           ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05 21:24             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05 21:32             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 21:32               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-06  7:15               ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-06  7:15                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-06 14:24                 ` jim owens
2009-05-06 14:24                   ` jim owens
2009-05-06 14:30                   ` jim owens
2009-05-06 14:30                     ` jim owens
2009-05-06 17:50                     ` jim owens
2009-05-06 17:50                       ` jim owens
2009-05-12 19:20                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:20                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:30                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:30                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:11                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:11                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:37                     ` jim owens
2009-05-12 19:37                       ` jim owens
2009-05-12 20:11                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 20:11                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 13:01       ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 13:01         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 13:19         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 13:19           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 13:39           ` Chris Mason
2009-05-05 13:39             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Chris Mason
2009-05-05 15:36             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 15:36               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 15:41               ` Chris Mason
2009-05-05 15:41                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Chris Mason
2009-05-05 16:03                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 16:03                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 16:18                   ` Chris Mason
2009-05-05 16:18                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Chris Mason
2009-05-05 20:48                   ` jim owens
2009-05-05 20:48                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-05 21:57                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 21:57                       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:04                       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:04                         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:11                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:11                           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:24                           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:24                             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-05 23:14                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 23:14                               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:12                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:12                           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:21                           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:21                             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:32                             ` James Morris
2009-05-05 22:32                               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " James Morris
2009-05-05 22:39                               ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:39                                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-12 19:40                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 19:40                                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:28                         ` jim owens
2009-05-05 22:28                           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-05 23:12                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 23:12                             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 16:46               ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-05 16:46                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jörn Engel
2009-05-05 16:54                 ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-05 16:54                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jörn Engel
2009-05-05 22:03                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:03                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 21:44                 ` copyfile semantics Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05 21:44                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2009-05-05 21:48                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-05 21:48                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-05 22:25                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-05 22:25                       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Trond Myklebust
2009-05-05 22:06                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:06                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-06  5:57                   ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-06  5:57                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jörn Engel
2009-05-05 14:21           ` [PATCH 1/3] fs: Document the reflink(2) system call Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 14:21             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 15:32             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 15:32               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:49             ` James Morris
2009-05-05 22:49               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " James Morris
2009-05-05 17:05           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 17:05             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-05 17:00         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 17:00           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-05 17:29           ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 17:29             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 22:36             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:36               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:30           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:30             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 22:37             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:37               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-05 23:08             ` jim owens
2009-05-05 23:08               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-05 13:01       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 13:01         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-05 17:09         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 17:09           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15 ` [PATCH 2/3] fs: Add vfs_reflink() and the ->reflink() inode operation Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  8:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-03  8:03     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-04  2:51     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04  2:51       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15 ` [PATCH 3/3] fs: Add the reflink(2) system call Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:15   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  6:27   ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-03  6:27     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2009-05-03  6:39     ` Al Viro
2009-05-03  6:39       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Al Viro
2009-05-03  7:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-03  7:48         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-03 11:16         ` Al Viro
2009-05-03 11:16           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Al Viro
2009-05-04  2:53       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04  2:53         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-04  2:53     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04  2:53       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-03  8:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-03  8:04     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-07 22:15 ` [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v2 Joel Becker
2009-05-07 22:15   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-08  1:39   ` James Morris
2009-05-08  1:39     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " James Morris
2009-05-08  1:49     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-08  1:49       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-08 13:01       ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-05-08  2:59   ` jim owens
2009-05-08  2:59     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-08  3:10     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-08  3:10       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-08 11:53       ` jim owens
2009-05-08 11:53         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-08 12:16       ` jim owens
2009-05-08 12:16         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-08 14:11         ` jim owens
2009-05-08 14:11           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-11 20:40       ` [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v4 Joel Becker
2009-05-11 20:40         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-11 22:27         ` James Morris
2009-05-11 22:27           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " James Morris
2009-05-11 22:34           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-11 22:34             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-12  1:12             ` James Morris
2009-05-12  1:12               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " James Morris
2009-05-12 12:18               ` Stephen Smalley [this message]
2009-05-12 12:18                 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 17:22                 ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 17:22                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-12 17:32                   ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 17:32                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 18:03                     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 18:03                       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-12 18:04                       ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 18:04                         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 18:28                         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 18:28                           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-12 18:37                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 18:37                             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 18:06                         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 18:06                           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 18:25                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 18:25                             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 23:25                             ` James Morris
2009-05-14 23:25                               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " James Morris
2009-05-15 11:54                               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 11:54                                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 13:35                                 ` James Morris
2009-05-15 13:35                                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " James Morris
2009-05-15 15:44                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 15:44                                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-13  1:47                       ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-13  1:47                         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Casey Schaufler
2009-05-13 16:43                         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-13 16:43                           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-13 17:23                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-13 17:23                             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-13 18:27                             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-13 18:27                               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-12 12:01           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 12:01             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-11 23:11         ` jim owens
2009-05-11 23:11           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-11 23:42           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-11 23:42             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-12 11:31         ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-12 11:31           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jörn Engel
2009-05-12 13:12           ` jim owens
2009-05-12 13:12             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-12 20:24             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 20:24               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-14 18:43             ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-14 18:43               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jörn Engel
2009-05-12 15:04         ` Sage Weil
2009-05-12 15:04           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Sage Weil
2009-05-12 15:23           ` jim owens
2009-05-12 15:23             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-12 16:16             ` Sage Weil
2009-05-12 16:16               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Sage Weil
2009-05-12 17:45               ` jim owens
2009-05-12 17:45                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-12 20:29                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 20:29                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 17:28           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-12 17:28             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-13  4:30             ` Sage Weil
2009-05-13  4:30               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Sage Weil
2009-05-14  3:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2009-05-14  3:57           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andy Lutomirski
2009-05-14 18:12           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 18:12             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-14 22:00             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-14 22:00               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-15  1:20               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-15  1:20               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-05-15 12:01               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 12:01                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 15:22                 ` Joel Becker
2009-05-15 15:22                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-15 15:55                   ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 15:55                     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Stephen Smalley
2009-05-15 16:42                     ` Joel Becker
2009-05-15 16:42                       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-15 17:01                       ` Shaya Potter
2009-05-15 17:01                       ` Shaya Potter
2009-05-15 20:53                       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-15 20:53                         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-18  9:17                         ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-18  9:17                           ` Jörn Engel
2009-05-18 13:02                         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 13:02                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 14:33                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 14:33                             ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 17:15                             ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 17:15                               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-18 18:26                           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-18 18:26                             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-19 16:32                             ` Sage Weil
2009-05-19 16:32                               ` Sage Weil
2009-05-19 19:20                         ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-05-19 19:32                           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-19 19:41                             ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-05-19 19:41                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-05-19 19:33                         ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-05-19 20:15                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-25  7:44         ` [Ocfs2-devel] [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v4. - Question for suitability Mihail Daskalov
2009-05-25 20:42           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-28  0:24         ` [Ocfs2-devel] [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v5 Joel Becker
2009-05-28  0:24         ` Joel Becker
2009-09-14 22:24         ` Joel Becker
2009-09-14 22:24         ` Joel Becker
2009-09-14 22:24           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-11 20:49     ` [RFC] The reflink(2) system call v2 Joel Becker
2009-05-11 20:49       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-11 22:49       ` jim owens
2009-05-11 22:49         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " jim owens
2009-05-11 23:46         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-11 23:46           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-05-12  0:54           ` Chris Mason
2009-05-12  0:54             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Chris Mason
2009-05-12 20:36           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-12 20:36             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier

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